Firefly?

[upsidedownwalrus]

Well made, and kudos to Whedon and whichever suit at Fox got them 13 eps worth of production money cos the pitch can't have been easy ('Cattle rustling in a wild west frontier style space environment'), but quite honestly I thought it deserved to die when it did.

 

[boskysquelch]

But you do tend to say everything is shit.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=247647

 

[Melinda]

This cat was happy and frolicking before he read the thread.

Disappointment in all the cool people made happy kitten sad

 

[dylanredefined]

Ha using kittens means you lose

 

[Private Storm]

Simply great series and movie. Just watch it.

 

[stdPikachu]

After being highly recommended to me? I have obtained the entire first season of Firefly. I have watched Serenity and was not sure what the back story was to this film so although I enjoyed Serenity I was not to sure what was going on.

That was pretty much my experience of Serenity as well, and I after I'd seen it twice I really felt like I was missing out on a helluva lot of the back story - it's crammed to the gunnels with references and even then they clearly didn't have the time or space to adequately explain everything. This thread has reminded me to check out a friendly torrent site for a taster

Quite liked the way the film didn't take itself too seriously but still managed to deal with alot of fairly full-on stuff. I do want to find the captain hateful, but as it is he's just too damned cool

Not much laser/taser but there's loads of plot, character and development. Maybe there weren't enough pyrotecnics for the punters so it was puled from the screens.

Dunno about the TV series, but Serenity impressed me greatly with the FX. The bit where they're drifting through Reaver space graveyard, followed by the Alliance/Reaver battle was some of the most stonking CGI space opera I'd ever seen. Pissed all over Star Wars.

 

[DotCommunist]

It was awful, awful sci fi. Fanboy wank

 

[Juice Terry]

Kaylee yum!

 

[The Groke]

It was awful, awful sci fi. Fanboy wank

You took yer time....

 

[DotCommunist]

You took yer time....

I was waiting on a poll that never came

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

It was awful, awful sci fi. Fanboy wank

 

[MullahNasrudin]

Lots of character yes, but very little plot or development which is what frustrated me most about it - too many single ep plotlines with no reference to major arcs - something the first season of BSG managed with aplomb IMO.

You're wrong about the refs to series arcs..if you listen to Joss Whedon's DVD commentary, he points out elements that were 'bedded in' for later use eg why Inarra is really on Firefly, the Blue Sun corporation etc...and don't forget the recurring characters that call back to earlier eps like Badger and Adelai Nisker.

It's a bit harsh to compare BSG to FF when one has just started its fourth season and the other didn't even make it to one full season -- it's easy to do things with 'aplomb' when you haven't been cancelled!

And to all Firefly haters...you aren't stupid if you hate it, just completely bereft of heart and soul!

 

[elevendayempire]

I rather liked it, but I always found the hardcore fans a bit puzzling. It wasn't that good. Mind you, I enjoyed it enough to pick up Serenity and the comics.

 

[Ich bin ein Mod]

It is the testes. Anyone who disagrees is a wrong-un, and has to answer to Jayne

 

[kyser_soze]

You're wrong about the refs to series arcs..if you listen to Joss Whedon's DVD commentary, he points out elements that were 'bedded in' for later use eg why Inarra is really on Firefly, the Blue Sun corporation etc...and don't forget the recurring characters that call back to earlier eps like Badger and Adelai Nisker.

True, but that doesn't negate the basic point that while these are all hinted at, FF is still primarily composed of single ep stories, whereas by 'Kobol's Last Gleaming' there were a dozen story arcs that had been completed, or were ongoing...hell, even Bab5 (a show that had more than it's fair share of potentially being axed moments) had the Sinclair/Valen storyline, plus several others, underway by E13 of it's first season - not hints, actually underway.

 

[MullahNasrudin]

True, but that doesn't negate the basic point that while these are all hinted at, FF is still primarily composed of single ep stories, whereas by 'Kobol's Last Gleaming' there were a dozen story arcs that had been completed, or were ongoing...hell, even Bab5 (a show that had more than it's fair share of potentially being axed moments) had the Sinclair/Valen storyline, plus several others, underway by E13 of it's first season - not hints, actually underway.

I still think it's unfair to compare a series that never got to show its full potential...we don't know where these 'hints' would have led exactly, so my point still stands. It seems to me that Joss was more worried about world-building than pandering to geeks with no lives that religiously watch each episode in sequence and toss off over the series arc!

Anyway, what's so wrong with single ep series anyway? Series arcs are great for geeks, but they often result in dull story telling eg Babylon 5.

 

[kyser_soze]

I'm one of those heretics who's TV show likes cross 'culture boundaries' - e.g. I like both 'Stars', Trek and Wars, and I like B5, but TBH since Deadwood, The Wire and BSG I find single ep stuff a little tedious - nothing wrong with them if they're well done, but if you look at BSG, the weakest series is S3, which also contains the highest % of single ep stories where the primary arcs aren't even mentioned. I've just gotten used to the 'episode as chapter rather than short story' idea IYSWIM.

Oh, and S1 of Buffy is a great, self-contained 13 ep season which gets all the characters, locations and basic premises done, and Whedon didn't know if it would get a 2nd season until they'd shot E8 or 9...

 

[rover07]

Firefly is probably the best sci-fi series ever...no aliens or reliance on technology to drive the story.

 

[DotCommunist]

Firefly is probably the best sci-fi series ever...no aliens or reliance on technology to drive the story.

lack of these things does not great sci-fi make. Nor does having them make great sci-fi. It's all in the writing/acting imo

anyway

Reavers?

 

[rover07]

The reavers are humans gone mental, they are only hinted at in the series, never seen.

In a lot of the later Star Trek series there is too much reliance on last minute...'Lets reverse the neutron polarity beam Captain' to get the characters out of a dangerous situation.

Firefly is beautifully shot and brilliantly paced.