Fire in Camberwell
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There is more on this on the Camberwellonline blog - http://www.camberwellonline.co.uk/2009/07/fire-in-sceaux-gardens/
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
The building which had the fire only had one stairway, in the middle of the block.Does that building only have one stairwell at one end?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
It means the media think they have a story about 'death traps' and are exploiting naturally concerned residents.
Probably better to consider the facts rather than the media.
Probably better to consider the facts rather than the media.
Right, and what are they? Tbh I'm surprised it was ever legal to build such a huge block of flats with only one stairwell
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Facts? Don't know, can't recall another fire like this off the top of my head. If you want to rummage around, here might be a start.
The construction is likely to do with budget restraints at the relevant time - 30-35 years ago, maybe? - not affluent times.
The construction is likely to do with budget restraints at the relevant time - 30-35 years ago, maybe? - not affluent times.
billythefish
toad licker
One of the problems is that building regulations work fine provided doors and windows are kept shut. It was a steaming hot day last Friday - most windows would have been open, and the new fenestration was made of plastic...
I think the staircase is a bit of a red herring - sadly it appears that the fire spread externally due to later 'improvements' to the design...
I think the staircase is a bit of a red herring - sadly it appears that the fire spread externally due to later 'improvements' to the design...
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
trashpony
Hag
This story really freaks me out - I used to live in a block round the corner from there which was a really similar design (pic below). The flats are two storey (which looks like they are in this block too) and although we had an extra fire escape on the top level, we'd been broken into so many times that we'd screwed all the windows and doors shut 
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
this made me worry about my parents as they don't have a fire escape and my mum is unable to walk.
but apparently the fire brigade know about her and would rescue her should there be a fire.
not that reassuring to be honest.
but apparently the fire brigade know about her and would rescue her should there be a fire.
not that reassuring to be honest.
About 12. I've been taking care of business since I was a lower case g.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
13, nearly 14...your dad checked his diary.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Pip always imagines herself as a younger and more precocious child than she actually was. 
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Pip always imagines herself as a younger and more precocious child than she actually was.
ah bless her.
How old does she think she is at the moment?
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
At the National Federation of Tenants Management Organisations conference we began with a minute's silence for those lost in that fire. It was very moving. We then completely failed to discuss anything about fire safety for the remainder of the weekend. 
ah bless her.
How old does she think she is at the moment?
I've been told I can play anything from 11 to 32 and a half
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
there's a benefit gig in camberwell tonight:
"Dear friends of Art’s & Camberwell,
Many of us have been touched in some way by the tragic fire within our community last week.
Art's is hosting a benefit gig this Thursday, 16th of July at Art’s to raise funds to aid the residents of Lakanal House, Sceaux Gardens.
We will be charging £5 on the door and also donating all profits from bar sales to Southwark Council for appropriate use.
Please join us on this evening of music, fun and art to help rebuild our village that has endured this incident and the ongoing repercussions.
Doors are open from 5pm, the live entertainment will start at approximately 8pm.
We look forward to seeing you on Thursday and appreciate your support.
Art's Bar is located upstairs at Funky Munky, 25 Camberwell Church Street
Artists performing:
Hamish Meaney
Doyle Clarke
Paula Wichall
Leo Music Sistah
Spike Byte
Winston Skerritt
Dulwich Ukelele Band
Zedekiah
Alan, Angus & David Hank
Isa Suarez
Eva Luna
Kiant Play
DJ Les Las Vegas "
off down there in a bit...
"Dear friends of Art’s & Camberwell,
Many of us have been touched in some way by the tragic fire within our community last week.
Art's is hosting a benefit gig this Thursday, 16th of July at Art’s to raise funds to aid the residents of Lakanal House, Sceaux Gardens.
We will be charging £5 on the door and also donating all profits from bar sales to Southwark Council for appropriate use.
Please join us on this evening of music, fun and art to help rebuild our village that has endured this incident and the ongoing repercussions.
Doors are open from 5pm, the live entertainment will start at approximately 8pm.
We look forward to seeing you on Thursday and appreciate your support.
Art's Bar is located upstairs at Funky Munky, 25 Camberwell Church Street
Artists performing:
Hamish Meaney
Doyle Clarke
Paula Wichall
Leo Music Sistah
Spike Byte
Winston Skerritt
Dulwich Ukelele Band
Zedekiah
Alan, Angus & David Hank
Isa Suarez
Eva Luna
Kiant Play
DJ Les Las Vegas "
off down there in a bit...
hendo
Fish finger sandwiches
I don't know if anyone else saw this but it seems the fire was caused by a faulty TV set. The advice from the fire service, unplug these things when they're not on.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/22/camberwell-fire-investigation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/22/camberwell-fire-investigation
Whether or not a 'faulty' TV set instigated this event I feel it very likely TV in some way could be to blame anyway.
Cable TV to be precise.
Whatever original fire safeguards that were in the building when built, have probably been compromised by the fly-by-night cable guys tacking combustibles outside and into comfort zones.
In many cases you don't even know you've been 'cabled up' until an instance like at Bray Tower, Adelaide Road four years ago, where a fire jumped three floors up the outside cables.
Mind you, only one staircase in the block didn't help. RIP very sad
And now it seems council leaseholders, ie people who have bought their flats, will be landed with a bill for the fire improvements - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8440201.stm. I know that its their responsibility as private leaseholders and that they bought their flats at knock down prices but it does seem a bit harsh espeically as the people who bought in these blocks are likely to be some of the poorest owner occupiers.
