Films which you can see were intended to be deep and meaningful but were just crap

[upsidedownwalrus]

Well we're just never going to agree about Nolan...

 

[skyscraper101]

It's like a teenager's first trip.

"imagine right, if we were just brains in vats, yeh"

It's like Max Freakout writing sci-fi

 

[Orang Utan]

Fight Club, Brick & Gladiat0r

 

[El Jefe]

Yeh, Fight Club is something I put with Bill Hicks. Just a bit..... obvious, somehow.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Fight Club, Brick & Gladiat0r

I don't really think Fight Club was intended to be that deep and meaningful. People just read too much into it. Plus, I just love the ending.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I know Fight Club could easily come under this thread, but I liked it. Ditto Donnie Darko.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I don't really think Fight Club was intended to be that deep and meaningful. People just read too much into it. Plus, I just love the ending.

Yes. I think people are perhaps thinking that that (and DD) are trying to be deep when they aren't. They're just good films.

On the other hand, El Jefe is 100% right about the Matrix. It's like every teenager's idea of what 'deep' is after taking too many drugs.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yeh, Fight Club is something I put with Bill Hicks. Just a bit..... obvious, somehow.

I like Bill!
I think Palahniuk is well overrated from what I've read of him
May I also add Apocalypse Now and El Topo (LTC is me on my phone - I forgot I was signed in as me, sorry).
More recently, people seemed to perceive Garden State as somehow deep and meaningful. They're wrong.

 

[El Jefe]

I like Bill!
I think Palahniuk is well overrated from what I've read of him
May I also add Apocalypse Now and El Topo (LTC is me on my phone - I forgot I was signed in as me, sorry).
More recently, people seemed to perceive Garden State as somehow deep and meaningful. They're wrong.

Garden State is the indie American Beauty. Twee empty platitudes.

Apocalypse Now is toss, but it's toss on a grand scale so it kind of works

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes. I think people are perhaps thinking that that (and DD) are trying to be deep when they aren't. They're just good films.

On the other hand, El Jefe is 100% right about the Matrix. It's like every teenager's idea of what 'deep' is after taking too many drugs.

I saw it after doing way too many drugs - it was ace! I wasn't a teenager though.
I have watched it since, mind.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I saw it after doing way too many drugs - it was ace! I wasn't a teenager though.
I have watched it since, mind.

I think it's a reasonable scifi film if you accept it as being trashy. What's amusing though is how so many people really do think it's deep, or did at the time.

 

[Bingo]

Got to agree again about Dark City and Cizizen Kane... downloaded em both thinking was in for a treat but couldn't be arsed and switched em off halfway thru...

 

[Yossarian]

Sunshine

 

[fishfinger]

Bad Lieutenant. Driller Killer was much better.

 

[Santino]

But The Matrix has cool kung fu fights in it. The 'Whoa, imagine if nothing you knew was real' schtick is much less important to the film than is sometimes made out. It's just the narrative device that allows characters to do Jedi/wuxia stunts.

 

[Santino]

Citizen Kane is a perfectly fine film. I can appreciate why people are disappointed when they see it though, it has no moment that blows you away, as you might expect from all the hype. It wasn't hailed at the Bestest Fillum Ever when it first came out, that happened quite gradually as professional critics re-watched it and re-assessed it.

 

[Fez909]

Hidden/Cache

 

[Dirty Martini]

The Piano. Also the most boring film ever made.

American Beauty

Seven

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Fight Club, Brick & Gladiat0r

Gladiator was meant to be deep?

Wasn't Russell Crowe in that?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Seven isn't actually supposed to be deep and meaningful though is it? Mind you it's not supposed to be a load of meretricious shite either, which it is.

I didn't manage more than about fifteen minutes of The Matrix.

I never liked The Conformist much.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Children of Men. It wasn't crap, but it wasn't deep, either.

 

[Dirty Martini]

Seven isn't actually supposed to be deep and meaningful though is it? Mind you it's not supposed to be a load of meretricious shite either, which it is.

Perhaps not in the sense of some of the other mentioned here, but still self-consciously a superior and 'thought provoking' thriller.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

It certainly provoked some thoughts on my part.

Others mentioned... Donnie Darko is better watched with depression than without. Citizen Kane is a great and groundbreaking film: it's not deep but did anybody say it was?

 

[Kaka Tim]

'no country for old men' - empty art arse.



Re: the Matrix. Was it sposed to be 'deep'? - I thought it was a stoners daft head fuck film - and works pretty well on that level.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

'no country for old men' - empty art arse. .

I agree that it wasn't deep, nor was it meant to be. But it was film art raised to the highest level.

 

[electrogirl]

lost in translation
garden state

both had unlikeable characters and are totally and utterly forgettable

 

[Santino]

But it was film art raised to the highest level.

I disagree, although I acknowledge that it was technically very adept, and I like most Coen Bros films. The wrong-footing of the audience and the change of tone at the end are much less clever than some critics seem to think, and the character of Sugar I found fell between two stools. He was neither a realistic portrayal of actual evil or an entertaining Hollywood villain.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

He was neither a realistic portrayal of actual evil or an entertaining Hollywood villain.

He was something different, which is part of the superiority.

 

[Santino]

He was something different, which is part of the superiority.

He just didn't do anything for me. *shrug*

 

[toblerone3]

I don't think American Beauty was crap. For me it worked on lots of different levels and was fun to watch.