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film/dance tune ID (kind of)

foo said:
oh yeh, and those who slag speed garage, well any kind of garage - take a listen to that link and tell me that it's not a fuckin stonkin filthy track. :cool:

saam knows wot i'm talking bout. :cool:
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and it's not just the bassline in garage that gets me up and dancing, it's the drums too. i don't know the technical term - as in, what kind of drum-beat garage has - what is distinctive about it ifysim...saam?

it's very sort of 'up'
 
killer b said:
heh... i didn't mind speed garage, although 187 were a touch same-y.

it's bastard spawn, bassline house, makes me want to vom though (saam knows wot i'm talking about)
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yeh - there is a lot of crap. as i just lol'd at when i was searching my files.:D

that's dance music for you though - well it is for me. if i knew what they were called, or where to look, i'd probably only fill one cd with absoulte stunners.

i don't even know what bassline house is :o
 
2-step - so named because 2nd and 4th bass kick from each bar are removed. Mix in some synchopating basslines and high pitched percussion/vocals and you're off.
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
2-step - so named because 2nd and 4th bass kick from each bar are removed. Mix in some synchopating basslines and high pitched percussion/vocals and you're off.
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so, the '2 Step' is about the bass. do you mean bass drums or what? sorry i'm reading your post quite a few times here Paulie going 1- pause -3 - pause, :D but i'm not sure i get it. what's synchopating?
 
It's beats happening in the wrong places but sounding right basically. So where you would expect a beat, you hear a space and vice versa. You can get the effect by playing 2 copies of the same tune at the same time. It's better to listen to synchopation than explain it :D
 
ouchmonkey said:
the off beat
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ah, is that like reggae?

i realise i'm coming across as a dope here.

edit: i always thought the 2-Step thing was about the way it made you dance.. :o
 
The morricone watch sample was in an earlier (than lockdown) deep house tune but I cant remember what it was called (I had it on a mix tape from about 1992).

another good bass heavy tune in the lockdown vibe that this has reminded me of was gant's 'soundbouy burial...when this all turned into two step a lot of the bass seemed to dissapear and it was all just tinny jerky girly vocalled stuff.
 
foo said:
ah, is that like reggae?

i realise i'm coming across as a dope here.

edit: i always thought the 2-Step thing was about the way it made you dance.. :o
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you're standard rhythm is four beats to a bar - this is yer 'four to the floor' in most rock music, most hip hop and a good deal of house etc.
emphasis is on the 1st and 3rd beats
2 step basically weakens the 2nd and 4th so you've got a 2 beat bar and gaps where you would expect a beat - which does effect how you dance - two step is also the name of an old timey country style dance -so that's where the confusement may begin, but certainly not end.
Syncopation is where the 2nd and 4th beat are stressed instead, or where the stress moves to an off beat (i.e. between your basic four beats to a bar - sometimes called pulling the beat).it's also a more fluid extra rhythm over the four beat pattern so, most times you hear say, a cowbell, it's a fair bet it's syncopating.....................
editor should probably come an explain this a bit better bein' a drummer an all............................
 
i'm having to read that quite a few times for it to sink in, but thanks ouchmonkey. i do understand some of it.

can you tell me about the beats or beat patterns in reggae too? is it along similar lines?

edit: why would you hear a cowbell with synchopated music especially? :D
 
Yep, Soundbwoy Burial is a tune and a half. Rock the Funky Beat by Natural Born Killers was another good un. There's some better garage tunes coming out again recently. by T2 is massive currently and worth a listen imo (altho you really need to listen on a good system to get the extraordinary bass going on).
 
Cool will check it out...although a house/techno bod in my dancefloor days I always liked the bass heavy garage tunes.
 
do you mean ska? I think the distinctive choppy guitar rhythm syncopates it and gives it that bounciness as for the rest you'd need someone who knew their 'riddims' a lot better
but I'd guess, as a generalisation, that reggae stresses the 2nd and 4th beats.
Mr Dubversion'll probably know how all this works
 
foo said:
edit: why would you hear a cowbell with synchopated music especially? :D
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other way round, a cowbell will almost always be used to add accents to a beat - so it'll be playing a lot of shorter beats over and around the background pattern, you'll hardly ever hear someone playing it entirely in synch with the drummer, it sort of defeats the point of adding it in IYSWIM
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
Yep, Soundbwoy Burial is a tune and a half. Rock the Funky Beat by Natural Born Killers was another good un. There's some better garage tunes coming out again recently. by T2 is massive currently and worth a listen imo (altho you really need to listen on a good system to get the extraordinary bass going on).
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oh dear, that's a bit sheffield - get your fucking shite production values out!!

give me some julian jonah any day . . .
 
ouchmonkey said:
Mr Dubversion'll probably know how all this works
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not a chance. I avoid all understanding of things like that - don't want to ruin it. But yeh, i guess reggae is the 2nd and 4th, and then the various subgenres like steppers etc play with that formula further
 
ouchmonkey said:
other way round, a cowbell will almost always be used to add accents to a beat - so it'll be playing a lot of shorter beats over and around the background pattern, you'll hardly ever hear someone playing it entirely in synch with the drummer, it sort of defeats the point of adding it in IYSWIM
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i do understand that.

my brain is awakening. :D
 
the off beat in reggae is a different kettle of fish to 2-step syncopation - off beat being part of the 4/4 crotchet structure but syncopation in garage falling on quaver, semiquaver or demisemiquaver subdivisions . . .
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
pah! Wash out your ears young man.....
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I've hear enough of those tunes pumping out of mobile phones on the back of the bus to know that bassline house like that is a bit of an embarrassment tbh.
 
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