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Fight! Architecture, Prince Charles, neo-classicists and modernists.

Tower Bridge pretty much sums up Victorian Britain's (inded, possibly Britain generally) whole approach to design - amazing engineering covered over with some godawful shell because actually building something utterly modern was seen as too radical or 'not fitting'...
I think you're overstating things. Victorian Britain featured plenty of naked ironwork. Tower Bridge was a special case, being planted right news to the Tower of London. Unlike so much modern design, it reflects its environment.
 
No, it's because labour costs have risen massively, as have safety standards. An army of thousands, laying bricks 8 stories up in the air is a logistic and financial nightmare today.
The styles went out of fashion long before health and safety came into its own. If they'd remained, it's very likely we'd have found new and safer ways of construction, or employed new materials.
 
No it doesn't - it's about as reflective of the successive design philosophies in the Tower Of London as I am! It's a Victorian take on what an idealised castle entrance looks like, and has naff all in common with the actual motley collection of walls and buildings that make up the Tower.
 
I'm on about the stuff built in the 'boom' years of the 80s/90s/00s?

I think the problem might be rooted in the post war years as it appears to be a period of cheap quick buildings that sort of gave the thumbs up for the type of architecture we now see as the norm.
 
The styles went out of fashion long before health and safety came into its own. If they'd remained, it's very likely we'd have found new and safer ways of construction, or employed new materials.
Well you can do it, no worries. We did a design for an extension for a west end stone building that exactly matched the existing facade. Entire 4-storey bays would be layed out on the ground, then bonded to concrete and then trucked to site and stood on end. Completely fake, but it looks right.
 
No it doesn't - it's about as reflective of the successive design philosophies in the Tower Of London as I am! It's a Victorian take on what an idealised castle entrance looks like, and has naff all in common with the actual motley collection of walls and buildings that make up the Tower.
The only design philosophy in the Tower of London was whatever best served its purpose as a royal lock-up. :D The Victorians had a nostalgic streak a mile wide, sure, but Tower Bridge is hardly representative. The same decade gave us the Forth Railway Bridge.
 
It's fake inasmuch that it looks like a masonary wall but it isn't. Regardless of style, this is something I really don't like.
 
I <3s http://www.veeregrenney.com/

he hates me! :D

My Ex_fil OBE is Charley Bwoi's Press Officer... I cannot express an opinion either way. :)

....actually bollox... HRH is nearly there, but so far off the mark He provides capital investment (don't looked to deeply therein :rolleyes:) and affords a show place for effectively a living Museum of erstwhile "suitable"(vom) & Best practice(retch) matching tradition(spit).

Fuck all else but a prissie good example set.:p

I think it would be more appropriate, and astute at this point in time, that all people in the UK should learn how to build roundhouses melef. :cool:

btw there is vastly more Duchy of Cornwall than there is Cornwall itself.
 
*threads merged to form one architectural feast

@teucher: sorry I misread your post and went ahead and merged. But to make up, I put it into this forum.
 
One of the modernists, with the crazy hair

Seems to be rather a lot of confusion on this thread between the terms "modern" and "modernist".

I assume the above is referring to Piers Gough.

There is many a modernist who would take issue with your describing him as one of them.

This is the kind of stuff he does:

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It's a public toilet. I think it doubles up as a florist's shop or something like that. Somewhere in West London but I forget exactly where.
 
One of the modernists, with the crazy hair has just declared neo-classical architecture a classist tool, which keeps people in their hierarchical place and that modern architecture is about breaking down the class walls and reducing the hierarchy.

What an absolute pile of cunt twattism.

I'd rather see a building built out of something solid, that doesn't look like shit if it gets rained on repeatedly - or gets litter stuck to it, or leak or has absolutely no soul in the name of the class divide.

:mad:

give me zaha hadid over that inbred aristo cretin any day of the week...even if she's designed a £400 m olympic pool that'll be useless a week after the event , and is being built by immigrant slave labour while she gets ever richer...actually , fuck her too the twat :mad:
 
Why? The style is timeless. The notion that historical styles are somehow outmoded is a recent and bizarre one. The Victorians were happy mixing high-tech with historic designs.

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Sackler Library, Oxford

This is quite recent isn't it?
Inkeeping with the Ashmolean?
 
This is quite recent isn't it?
Inkeeping with the Ashmolean?
Yep, it opened in 2001, and is in keeping with the Ashmolean. There's no reason we couldn't build in the neoclassical style from scratch, however: I posted up the picture of the Sackler to show that it needn't look like Poundbury. (Not that there aren't some fine buildings in Poundbury, but the place as a whole does have seem a bit too chocolate-box.)
 
Matters have come to a head with the Chelsea Barracks project as Lord Rogers' design has been scrapped by the developers who have hired Quinlan Terry to take it forward.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...ack-on-the-Prince-of-Wales-is-outlandish.html

Lord Rogers accuses Prince Charles of acting "unconstitutionally" as if there were really any kind of aspect to the "democratic" planning process that would stop anyone trying to persuade a developer to abandon a project.
 
Matters have come to a head with the Chelsea Barracks project as Lord Rogers' design has been scrapped by the developers who have hired Quinlan Terry to take it forward.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...ack-on-the-Prince-of-Wales-is-outlandish.html

Lord Rogers accuses Prince Charles of acting "unconstitutionally" as if there were really any kind of aspect to the "democratic" planning process that would stop anyone trying to persuade a developer to abandon a project.

I'd agree with the Telegraph that his accusations are probably a bit over the top, although I can understand totally why he's angry. I'm not sure it's unconstitutional but it's certainly irritating that someone who has influence only because of his inherited position, uses that influence to force his personal preferences through.

I'm sure that the Qatari royal family are under the impression that if they propose something that meets PC's approval, things will go through more smoothly and a few wheels in the process might be oiled for them as it were. It doesn't even matter whether that's true or not - that's the implication that PC is taking advantage of.

I don't really care about the Royal family sitting around being ceremonial and stuff, but if anything's going to turn me into a committed republican, it's going to be their interference in things beyond their ceremonial / teatrays for tourists role.

Ultimately of course, whoever the Qatari royal family hire or fire to work on the scheme, the decision will still in theory be made by the planning committee, or if it is referred on, by someone who has been democratically elected to some degree. Not that I'd have any faith in either of them making a sensible decision.


Oh and the comments posted under that Telegraph article make me want to smash my head in on a brick wall. Or maybe a concrete one.
 
Modernism (with a capital M) was a movement geared towards a synthesis of environment, tradition and modernity... Corbusier's chaise longue is an immediately recognisable example:

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An entirely modern piece of furniture, but with hide upholstery that evokes traditional nomadic cultures. It's often referred to as critical regionalism.

Brilliant. Can I send that to Pseuds Corner in Private Eye, please Cid?
 
Matters have come to a head with the Chelsea Barracks project as Lord Rogers' design has been scrapped by the developers who have hired Quinlan Terry to take it forward.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...ack-on-the-Prince-of-Wales-is-outlandish.html

Lord Rogers accuses Prince Charles of acting "unconstitutionally" as if there were really any kind of aspect to the "democratic" planning process that would stop anyone trying to persuade a developer to abandon a project.


Ah yes, a member of the house of Lords working for a Middle Eastern absolute monarch to build posh flats for the ultra-rich and shoddy flats for those common people needed to service the needs of the ultra-rich whining about Prince Right-Charlie subverting the democratic process at the City of Westminster, former home of corrupt class cleanser and cemetry saleswoman Shirley Porter.
 
This is the house Ken Shuttleworth, architect of the Gherkin, built for himself.

Most architects can't afford to build themselves the kind of houses they design for their clients, of course.

But a few other architects' own houses:

Frank Gehry:
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Philip Johnson:
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Marcel Breuer:
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Gunther Domenig:
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Erick von Egeraat
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Look at them all in their Georgian townhouses!
 
I'd agree with the Telegraph that his accusations are probably a bit over the top, although I can understand totally why he's angry. I'm not sure it's unconstitutional but it's certainly irritating that someone who has influence only because of his inherited position, uses that influence to force his personal preferences through.

I'm sure that the Qatari royal family are under the impression that if they propose something that meets PC's approval, things will go through more smoothly and a few wheels in the process might be oiled for them as it were. It doesn't even matter whether that's true or not - that's the implication that PC is taking advantage of.

I don't really care about the Royal family sitting around being ceremonial and stuff, but if anything's going to turn me into a committed republican, it's going to be their interference in things beyond their ceremonial / teatrays for tourists role.

Ultimately of course, whoever the Qatari royal family hire or fire to work on the scheme, the decision will still in theory be made by the planning committee, or if it is referred on, by someone who has been democratically elected to some degree. Not that I'd have any faith in either of them making a sensible decision.


Oh and the comments posted under that Telegraph article make me want to smash my head in on a brick wall. Or maybe a concrete one.

While it would be perhaps a legitimate criticism if the Prince had intervened off his own back over issues of taste (or, as Rogers alleges, self-interest), it surely is relevant that there was widespread local and national opposition to the Rogers design, and - as seems usual with planning applications - it was almost totally ignored by the developer, WCC and CABE. There is surely something seriously wrong with our democracy when an unelected figure behaves in a far more democratic way in articulating those views than our elected representatives did (which of course now applies to the difference between the House of Lords and the Commons).

Moreover, there is something deeply hypocritical in developers, architects and the like bemoaning interference in the "normal democratic process" (as Nick Raynsford called it) of planning applications when they have been seen on countless occasions to do exactly that themselves, and thats even with our blatantly non-democratic planning system. As an example, one notes with no surprise at all that, on the same day this furore blew up, it was revealed that BAA had actually lobbied ministers over the third runway at Heathrow after all, despite denials at the time.
 
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