Feminist Fightback

[tbaldwin]

I can go along with that.

It certainly doesn't appear to be at all liberating, as it panders to male fantasies. It reminds me a lot of the social democrat position.

So you think it cant be liberating to pander to male fantasies?

 

[nino_savatte]

So you think it cant be liberating to pander to male fantasies?

It's counterproductive, unless it takes place within an adult heterosexual relationship. In which case, both parties have probably come to an agreement about the form in which the fantasies are to be acted out.

Why? Do you see stripping as 'liberation'? I don't have a problem with the women who want to do that sort of thing btw. That's their business but it should be remembered that it's a product of patriarchy.

It ain't feminism, that's for sure and post-feminism is like most every other form of postmodernist logic: it's mostly bollocks.

 

[JoePolitix]

One of the most grotesque creatures of post-feminism is Fey Weldon. Remarkably this former vanguard of feminism now argues that it's selfish for women to expect orgasms and advises 'Do yourself and him a favour, sister: fake it':

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1863814,00.html

 

[nino_savatte]

One of the most grotesque creatures of post-feminism is Fey Weldon. Remarkably this former vanguard of feminism now argues that it's selfish for women to expect orgasms and advises 'Do yourself and him a favour, sister: fake it':

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1863814,00.html

Isn't she just? She's also a Tory afaik and the Tories are fond of shouting "PC gone mad" whenever someone dares label something "sexist".

Postmodernism lets people off the hook; it allows them to be cruel to others, while, at the same time, claiming the cruelty was meant in jest or was 'ironic'. Postmodernism claims not to be a metanarrative but it is just that: a metanarrative.

But they would also claim that what they are engaged in is satirical but as Jameson says

Pastiche is, like parody, the imitation of a peculiar mask, speech in a dead language: but it is a neutral practice of such mimicry, without any of parody’s ulterior motives, amputated of the satiric impulse, devoid of laughter and of any conviction…
(Jameson, 2001; p561)

There's no thought that goes into these gestures, they are taken as read; and it is the sign that has become more important than the object or idea that it actually signifies. So the Spice Girls are seen as post-feminist protagonists, even though their slogan "Girl Power" has nothing of substance to support it; it's merely a meaningless slogan that empowers no one.

I'm waffling....sorry.