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Feminism and the silencing of women

kabbes

"A top 400 poster"
John Humphries interviewed a woman from the ASA about this earlier on the Today programme. Couldn't tell if he was being deliberately thick or what but he seemed to be struggling to understand her points. :rolleyes:
John Humphries never understands anything. It’s a standing joke in our house how little prep he does for an interview and how dim he is at understanding what he’s being told. The man is an absolute arse.
 

Cloo

Surfeit of lampreys
I suspect it's increasingly the case that the older demographic have more spending power now - no kids, more likely to own a home and have no mortgage etc. My dad bought our large, detached family home in London for 1.3 times his salary, between us we earn about the equivalent of that and our terraced family home cost 8 times our combined salaries!
 

scifisam

feck! arse! girls! drink!
I suspect it's increasingly the case that the older demographic have more spending power now - no kids, more likely to own a home and have no mortgage etc. My dad bought our large, detached family home in London for 1.3 times his salary, between us we earn about the equivalent of that and our terraced family home cost 8 times our combined salaries!
I agree, but they spend it on different things. And they have strong brand loyalty - most of us do. Advertisers want the people who don't yet have brand loyalty. Plus, if you can attract the 20ish market, then the 30ish and 40ish market will recognise it as coolish, so if they don't have any particular brand loyalty for, say, phones, they'll be swayed.
 

Cloo

Surfeit of lampreys
I wonder if that's changing though - the 60+'s grew up in a world with far fewer brands - so you are an A or a B person and that's it, whereas I think for my generation that might hold less because we grew up with more choice and have changed around more. I don't think I have much loyalty to any brand, be it cars or clothes.
 

Poot

Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk
I'm not sure he does tbf. It always sounds like a performance to me.
He seemed to be treating her as though she was giving her own opinion and decided that his was better. He is an arse. I'm not claiming that he only does it to women, he's not discriminatory in his arsery but nonetheless it was painful to listen to.
 

JudithB

Well-Known Member
Too many responses to this along the lines of 'not all men' or 'would not happen in X country'. As if women around the world shouldn't be scared when popular porn site searches like this turn up.
This is a late entrant as one of the most shocking stories I have read about this year. The rise in choking women to death as part of sex-games gone wrong has to be up there too :mad:
 

8ball

Having a teeny break
Saw this a few days ago, vile beyond belief
I'm not going to pretend to know how it would feel seeing that as a woman, but as a bloke it's one of those things where it's just like at that second of seeing something, the world became a darker and shitter and more shifty and untrustworthy place.
It wasn't starting from the best baseline, either.
 

friendofdorothy

Solidarity against neoliberalism!
There are a lot of vile men out there and we live in system of patriarchy that allows vile things like this happen.
The world is a dark and shitty and untrustworthy place and many of us women have have no choice but to have always known this.

Yet every time a female poster here says men do this or that vile thing there is a whole load of debate, loads of what-aboutary and not-all-men-etc. Listen up. This is one of the ways that women are silenced.
 

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
I'm not going to pretend to know how it would feel seeing that as a woman, but as a bloke it's one of those things where it's just like at that second of seeing something, the world became a darker and shitter and more shifty and untrustworthy place.
It wasn't starting from the best baseline, either.
Yes. A new depth of human degradation.
 

friendofdorothy

Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Yes. A new depth of human degradation.
so you feel comfortable using non gendered 'human' here? so is the depth degradation you speak of of the whole human race, men and women equally sharing these depths? Is this some linguistic picky point scoring?

Even now you can't you bring yourself to speak out against the men who comitted this crime, and the men (and lets not pretend it isn't overwhelmingly men this porn site is aimed at) who compound this vile crime by using it to wank over.

or are we back to not-all-men-etc? No its not all men, just 35,000 of them a second.

Pickyman is this how you show your solidary with abused women? is this how you bear witness and speak up for silenced women? You disgust me. Please don't reply with glib word play just FUCK OFF THIS THREAD.
 

scifisam

feck! arse! girls! drink!
so this makes you a bit sick.
I think he was just using understatement, TBH, and he clarified.

Am going unignore Pickman's for this thread.

ETA: I think PM got the words wrong but still was trying to say it was vile. TBF, this is human degradation, not just female, because knowing this happened to a woman via men and then men watched it does not make you think a single good thing about the future of the human race. All of humanity is degraded by this because we're in a situation where women aren't just gang-raped but men watch that video in large numbers. It doesn't say much for our future as a species. I mean I know this sort of thing happened in the past but it's getting normalised, and I'm starting to be glad my daughter doesn't want to have kids.
 
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friendofdorothy

Solidarity against neoliberalism!
women of urban how can we discuss this? Its not an easy subject to discuss and its even harder to know how to act, what to do about it.

I've always seen the link between women and second class citizens - women as property - the possessiveness of the male gaze - violence against women - femicide.

In the 70s and 80 there were reclaim the night marches and more recently slut walks - what should we do now ? Is there a way we can support women of India after these most recent crimes?
 
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