Feminism and the silencing of women

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by friendofdorothy, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    More power to her elbow. It's fucking painful sometimes. They still use terms like 'the fairer sex' and insist that a certain job 'needs a woman's touch'. And they slag off any women that are senior to them constantly (there aren't many of course). In the employee survey two of us said that the company was sexist. We were told it wasn't. With figures. And statistics. And we were asked to explain ourselves despite being told that the survey was anonymous. So I'm just not brave enough.
     
  2. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    Yeah, can’t blame you at all. It’s fucking insidious and grinding and they make it so hard to take a stand
     
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  3. SheilaNaGig

    SheilaNaGig Struggling and striving



    That's bloody horrible.

    I wonder of there are any men reading this thread who can't see how nasty that is.
     
  4. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    Years ago, I worked in quite a large technical company with very few women. There was one very slightly seniorish woman. The general consensus was that she'd obviously slept her way to the top (the top in this case being still quite a junior role).

    I suggested maybe it was because she was very smart and worked hard. That went down like a lead balloon. :rolleyes:

    ETA And someone asked me if I was 'one of those feminists'.
     
  5. ElizabethofYork

    ElizabethofYork Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    Oh, so depressingly familiar. A bloke at work the other day was complaining about women who bring sexual harassment cases. "We're not allowed to have fun any more" he whined.
     
  6. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    You know how you can make a statistic say anything you want? Our employee survey results boasted that '90% of you have never suffered any sexism at work!' Which made me 'ha!' because our company is only about 25-30% female. Not to say that the men didn't complain about sexism, but I'd be very surprised if they did.

    However, when my manager's manager demanded an explanation about our negative remarks, what he quoted at us was a load of bollocks about the gender pay gap and then continually talked over us for half an hour. So he'll never know. I nearly walked out that day.
     
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  7. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    Hysterical and exaggerating things I'll be bound Poot.

    :rolleyes::mad:
     
  8. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    Ah, you know my sex so well.
     
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  9. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I'll meet you further on up the road

    You probably all have better things to do than watch 'First Dates' on channel 4 but there was a youngish man and woman having a first date and she talked about feminism and he really undermined her views - you could just see what had been a lovely date crumble in her eyes. He was bantering and trying to charm his way out of it - so disappointing to hear a young man be so happily dismissive
    he said 'it was a bit too intense for me talking about feminism'
    they're not having a second date
     
  10. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    i thought this was such a surprising claim that i checked the crime statistics from the period, which suggest this isn't the case there'd need to be something in the region of 6,400 instances of murder and manslaughter (there being ~3,200 troubles-related deaths in the six counties) but the number of deaths recorded by the police in the period 1969 through 2014 was 3,980

    incidentally, the terms used in the table, manslaughter and homicide, don't seem quite appropriate in the context of the victims of domestic violence.
     
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  11. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    But 3,980 is more than 3,200.
     
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  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    your powers of observation are keen indeed. but of those 3,980, about 3,200 are troubles-related deaths. which is why i said the number of killings would need to be about 6,400 or more for the claim to be true.
     
  13. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    Ah, I thought the 3980 were all non-troubles related.
     
  14. polly

    polly Well-Known Member

    Or maybe it's positive, that he has lost out on something that could have been lovely and might think about it later... /optimist

    (I love First Dates :oops: )
     
  15. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    I find it hard to believe that there were only 700 deaths from DV in over 40 years.... that suggests a lower incidence of DV in NI than anywhere else, during a time of conflict. As a comparator- there were 400 deaths in England and Wales in just 3 years.
     
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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    i don't suppose the ~780 deaths are all from dv

    taking the relative populations in 2011 (Demography of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia) the populations of england and wales were 31.35 times greater than that of northern ireland, so assuming a similar level of domestic violence in the six counties you'd get for the three years you suggest 13 deaths (rounded up from 12.8). again assuming a constant rate you'd be looking at for 1969 to 2014 (45/3) x 13, which would give a ballpark figure of 195 deaths.
     
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  17. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    Yeah, based on that maths you are right. Huh. Interesting
     
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  18. mango5

    mango5 Endeavour era

    Nice debunking there, glad you caught that woman out for perhaps overstating the situation - or perhaps she was thinking of different statistics during her Desert Island Discs reminiscence.

    Anyway, there are some interesting stories of women being unseen/unheard here https://www.uninvisibility.com
     
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  19. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    Obviously it was me that got the quote wrong. I apologise wholeheartedly to Professor McWilliams for misrepresenting her.

    What she said was that more women were killed by their partners than were killed in the troubles. Male violence, as usual.
     
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  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Perhaps she was. I went on what was reported here.
     
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  21. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    I expect it would have taken you less time to listen to the DID episode than it would have to do the research you did.

    You should listen to it - it's very interesting
     
  22. purenarcotic

    purenarcotic Conveniently Pocket Sized

    For particularly depressing reading on women killed, counting dead women is a good resource. Their research forms part of the femicide census which you can get on the women’s aid website.
     
  23. polly

    polly Well-Known Member

    I love this! Thank you :) I mean for its positivity and feeling of a friendly outstretched hand, rather than the stories, obvs.
     
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  24. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    I got this a lot at my previous employer. To the extent that I even had to send my opinion on something to an external consultant to validate it, because they refused to believe I was correct. I was the only specialist in that subject in house.
     
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  25. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    If you snap one day and beat him to death with the stapler, I'll be a character witness. I'm not even joking.
     
  26. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    He's so bloody cheerful about it, too! I suppose that's the advantage of being Eton-educated, you've no suspicion that you might be being a dick.
     
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  27. baldrick

    baldrick ooooh timewarp

    It's a joke. They're spending X thousand on this (a system I'll have to administer btw) and it all gets approved just like that. Meanwhile, part of my role is what we're spending on these systems and whether they're value for money.

    *Shrug*
     
  28. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    No incentive to change, because the system encourages him to be like that. I expect it is all a big wheeze to him.
     
  29. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    Yeah, sounds familiar. The last year I was there I spent arguing at great length about a system they wanted us to bring in that was the most pointless thing I'd ever heard in my career. I ended up briefing a colleague to go to an overseas meeting about it, and they believed him when he said it was pointless.
     
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  30. ElizabethofYork

    ElizabethofYork Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    Thinking about this a bit more, it's not just public-school educated men who act like it's a bit of a jolly jape - although they're probably the worst. But "ordinary" men in the office treat equality issues like a big joke and as though they're being delightfully mischievous for refusing to be "PC".
     

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