Feminism and the silencing of women

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by friendofdorothy, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    Really? Women are socialised to avoid conflict, so how many times does your wife roll her eyes and go upstairs, or say ‘oh nevermimd? ’
     
  2. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    Thank you, that's very interesting and makes sense.
     
  3. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    I'm not going to talk about my relationship on a publicly-visible thread.
     
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  4. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    It’s a rhetorical question. I’m not expecting frequency analysis and a bar chart with causal factors colour coded
     
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  5. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    That's not a rhetorical question!

    Suffice to say we're going to great lengths to challenge traditional gender roles in many aspects of our relationship, according to what I've read here and seen/assimilated in and from the wider world.
     
  6. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

     

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  7. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    I know what one is for heaven's sake. I teach it. :D
     
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  8. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    I asked a question for rhetorical effect. It is therefore a rhetorical question. I wasn’t seriously expecting frequency analysis or a ‘number’ . Amazing, huh?
     
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  9. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    See THAT was a rhetorical question.
     
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  10. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    I will give you the birthdays thing mind. Fact that all my relatives are dead and my friends don't do cards is neither here nor there - if they were alive/keen on them she'd still be in charge of birthdays.
     
  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Never and rarely
     
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  12. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    I am having to really fight the temptation to just go yeah, whatever, have it your way. Because despite everything, I have been socialised that I should be silent and back down when testosterone starts to lecture me, because, you know, male authority. And I don’t even know you.
     
  13. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    Male authority? No. Authority on what a rhetorical question is, perhaps, given my degree is in English and I teach English. I wouldn't dream of claiming authority in much else.

    I certainly don't want to silence anyone. But there has to be a way to disagree without it resulting in lines being drawn?
     
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  14. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    Surely since Manter asked the question, she has the authority to say whether it was rhetorical or not.
     
  15. mango5

    mango5 Endeavour era

    A handful of chaps find this inconceivable so we must be overstating things :rolleyes:.
    As spanglechick suggested recently, the statistical chance that *more* than a handful of men in our everyday circles (including irl urban circles) are seriously abusive is nauseating yet invisible, unheard and very real.
     
  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Surely a rhetorical question would be obvious by the answer it would necessarily demand and this one can receive a wide range of responses many of which would undermine the claim it is rhetorical
     
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  17. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    How would you know if she’s rolling her eyes and leaving because she feels like it’s easier not to bother?
     
  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    I could not recall such an occurrence so I told her of this thread and asked her and she can't remember it happening either. So not all relationships.
     
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  19. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    NOT ALL MEN
     
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  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    So you got my allusion. Posting all caps doesn't reinforce a point, it makes you look a shouty plonker
     
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  21. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    It'd be great if you'd contribute by responding to specific points with your own ideas rather than just go for the cheap shot
     
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  22. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Santino doesn't do ideas
     
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  23. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    It'd be great if one single thread on feminism could exist without some men turning the conversation to how they should be explicitly excused from general observations on male behaviour.
     
  24. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    Who has done that? Point me at it. Let me learn
     
  25. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    A rhetorical question can have an answer. It can have an obvious answer, a range of answers, and be couched in both the positive and negative. It can come before, after or instead of a statement. Fowler’s (I checked as a result of this conversation) says a question used not to elicit information but as a more striking device as the listener has to reach the conclusion themselves. Not a direct quote- book is upstairs and I am now in bed.
     
  26. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    I don’t think Si has said that, has he?
     
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  27. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    And this is kind of the point. I don't have friends who're twats or very blokey blokes either. Except when it turns out they actually are.

    If you met the male friend I was talking about earlier, you'd no doubt think he was a great guy. Non-blokey, fun, interesting, good politics. Except he's an absolute controlling fucker when it comes to his partner.

    Who's now lost so much confidence in herself that she's pretty much stuck where she is. And why would she ever tell anyone how it is? Who'd believe her when he's generally seen as such a great guy? And why would she want to admit to other people she's spent two decades with someone who's a twat?

    I think this shit is not unusual. I know a couple of other women I strongly suspect are in similar situations. How do you know your friends don't have this shit going on in the privacy of their own homes. They'd be very unlikely to tell you if it were.
     
  28. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    On a thread about the silencing of women, the last page is two men telling women that they’re wrong and bickering with a third. Not enough rolleyes in the world tbh
     
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  29. S☼I

    S☼I campestral seneschal

    So we're at the point where a difference of opinion = silencing?
     
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  30. mango5

    mango5 Endeavour era

    No. He keeps saying that he doesn't recognise the issues in his own circles. It's a variation of NAM which minimises the main points being made and could itself have a silencing effect. There is no useful response to his myopia. I really do hope that he continues to live in this comfortable bubble cos the big picture of everyday womanhood is much nastier outside it.
     

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