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Feminism and the silencing of women

Santino

lovelier than lovely
You clearly have a different perspective on things, but from my reading of the last few pages of the thread, there were some posters making some very childish jokes, you then pulled them up on it, and were backed up by several other posters, including a mod.
If those posters were making racist jokes, would they still be here, and still doing the same type of jokes again next week?
 

SheilaNaGig

Struggling and striving
Enforced Holiday
You clearly have a different perspective on things, but from my reading of the last few pages of the thread, there were some posters making some very childish jokes, you then pulled them up on it, and were backed up by several other posters, including a mod.
Yes, and there was more that could have been added by me. I'm not going to rehash it here. I really haven't the stomach for any further discussion at this point.
 

8ball

Having a teeny break
Yes, and there was more that could have been added by me. I'm not going to rehash it here. I really haven't the stomach for any further discussion at this point.
Wasn't after a rehash. It just looked like you were talking about a different thread in a way. Probably due to exhausted exasperation.
You said your piece about what was going down, got a little pushback, then got more backup.

It looked more like succeeding than silencing is all, as tiresome as I'm sure it is having to go round the carousel each time.
 

SheilaNaGig

Struggling and striving
Enforced Holiday
Wasn't after a rehash. It just looked like you were talking about a different thread in a way. Probably due to exhausted exasperation.
You said your piece about what was going down, got a little pushback, then got more backup.

It looked more like succeeding than silencing is all, as tiresome as I'm sure it is having to go round the carousel each time.

Right-oh guv. I'm sure you know best.

:thumbs:
 

Miss-Shelf

I'll meet you further on up the road
Well in a large group training on equality today a senior Male leader says to a female who is not in his team (ie he doesn't know her well or at all) "I'll come to you in a minute darling"

I'm copying in ska invita he knows the woman in this incident and he will know she is the least likely woman to let that go by (she is your link at my work place )
 

ElizabethofYork

Witchsmeller Pursuivant
Well in a large group training on equality today a senior Male leader says to a female who is not in his team (ie he doesn't know her well or at all) "I'll come to you in a minute darling"

I'm copying in ska invita he knows the woman in this incident and he will know she is the least likely woman to let that go by (she is your link at my work place )
Was there any comeback from this incident?
 

ginger_syn

Insanity laughs under pressure...👾
You clearly have a different perspective on things, but from my reading of the last few pages of the thread, there were some posters making some very childish jokes, you then pulled them up on it, and were backed up by several other posters, including a mod.
Wow, sheila's point went right over your head didnt it.
 

ginger_syn

Insanity laughs under pressure...👾
Wasn't after a rehash. It just looked like you were talking about a different thread in a way. Probably due to exhausted exasperation.
You said your piece about what was going down, got a little pushback, then got more backup.

It looked more like succeeding than silencing is all, as tiresome as I'm sure it is having to go round the carousel each time.
Just right on over there,by a country mile as well.
 

Poot

Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk
Let's all keep an eye on Johnson this morning. Let's see whether his reshuffle favours men, with female ministers losing their jobs but more female junior ministers being appointed 'for balance', as has been predicted.
 

Athos

Well-Known Member
Let's all keep an eye on Johnson this morning. Let's see whether his reshuffle favours men, with female ministers losing their jobs but more female junior ministers being appointed 'for balance', as has been predicted.
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
 

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
Nothing good
 

Manter

Lunch Mob
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
Very true
 

Poot

Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
They did nothing good for women. However, it becomes more and more acceptable for this to happen, whether it's the Tory Party, any other party or my place of work. So yeah, it does matter. Sorry. Women becoming less visible in top jobs matters.
 

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
what have the queens elizabeth and victoria, between them heads of state for 2/3 of the last 200 years, done for women?
 

Athos

Well-Known Member
They did nothing good for women. However, it becomes more and more acceptable for this to happen, whether it's the Tory Party, any other party or my place of work. So yeah, it does matter. Sorry. Women becoming less visible in top jobs matters.
Absolutely. Which is why I didn't suggest it didn't matter. I just fear that sometimes it's easy for people to ascribe too much importance to the crude figures (perhaps becuase they're one of the easiest things to measure), whereas it's only one part of the overall picture. (Not that I'm suggesting you are doing that.)
 

friendofdorothy

Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
Didn't do much good for for anybody.

what have the queens elizabeth and victoria, between them heads of state for 2/3 of the last 200 years, done for women?
Well rumour has it Victoria at least kept lesbianism from becoming illegal
 

Teaboy

It definitely looks brighter over there..
One of the problems Johnson had in his reshuffle was that all the experienced suitably qualified female tory MP's and ministers took one look at him and the direction of travel and all fucked off at the last election.

Its a problem of his own making for sure but it left him with either very green female mp's or the clueless nutters like Leadsom and Patel. Its not a huge surprise he's chosen a load of men but as I say a problem of his own making.
 

spanglechick

High Empress of Dressing Up
One of the problems Johnson had in his reshuffle was that all the experienced suitably qualified female tory MP's and ministers took one look at him and the direction of travel and all fucked off at the last election.

Its a problem of his own making for sure but it left him with either very green female mp's or the clueless nutters like Leadsom and Patel. Its not a huge surprise he's chosen a load of men but as I say a problem of his own making.
He sacked McVey, though, so every cloud...
 

Grace Johnson

i like dairylea dunkers
I didn't catch this thread before but have just seen and read through tonight.

I could write pages and pages on this but I'm so tired of having to explain it all. Everytime you say something about the hostile environment this world is for women, your either being too sensitive or are forced to delve into your own trauma and explain it all as some kind of twisted justification. It's so tiring.

But then that's the point innit. It's that constant pulse of threat and violence that comes from living in a society that sees you as being not quite human. That's the core of what silences us. It's traumatic and poisonous and shit and fucking exhausting. You burn out.

Men don't need to shout women down or be violent or obnoxious to silence women. It's all already there. Shit, I feel like I've been talking to a wall for the past 20 years. I'm knackered.

There's maybe some solutions somewhere and I'd love to talk more about them. If anyone has anything vaguely hopeful I could read that would be very well received right now.

Respect and solidarity for everyone who posted a thoughtful post on this thread btw. I know how much of an ordeal it can be.
 
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friendofdorothy

Solidarity against neoliberalism!
I didn't catch this thread before but have just seen and read through tonight.

I could write pages and pages on this but I'm so tired of having to explain it all. Everytime you say something about the hostile environment this world is for women, your either being too sensitive or are forced to delve into your own trauma and explain it all as some kind of twisted justification. It's so tiring.

But then that's the point innit. It's that constant pulse of threat and violence that comes from living in a society that sees you as being not quite human. That's the core of what silences us. It's traumatic and poisonous and shit and fucking exhausting. You burn out.

Men don't need to shout women down or be violent or obnoxious to silence women. It's all already there. Shit, I feel like I've been talking to a wall for the past 20 years. I'm knackered.

There's maybe some solutions somewhere and I'd love to talk more about them. If anyone has anything vaguely hopeful I could read that would be very well received right now.

Respect and solidarity for everyone who posted a thoughtful post on this thread btw. I know how much of an ordeal it can be.
Welcome! Please keep posting.

That was beautifully expressed.

I'm not sure what the solutions are beyond keeping speaking out and sisterly solidarity. We must support each other.
 
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