Fat legs and boots - again

[geminisnake]

Think they'd be too big spangles, they're a 4. If you're usually a 3 I'd guess a 2 might do you, added bonus of kids sizes being even cheaper!
Don't you have Barratts down there?

 

[ethel]

ah. i can't wear them then. narrow feet

 

[Thora]

Cool, thanks spangles!

 

[Ceej]

*raises hand too*

Duo are great and hardwearing but far from cheap. Evans boots fit my chubby calves, but being wide-fitting, means two pairs of socks, as my feet are fairly narrow. I believe this problem relates to where many boots are made, ie in Aisa, China and the far East - the women there are stick-like and virtually calf-less.

 

[trashpony]

I was right - they do think you should have thinner calves if you've got shorter feet. How ridiculous! So if I took a 6 rather than a 4, I'd get an extra 16mm of space which actually would make the difference between fit and not fit (my calves are 40cm).

So you're wrong gem

 

[spanglechick]

I was right - they do think you should have thinner calves if you've got shorter feet. How ridiculous! So if I took a 6 rather than a 4, I'd get an extra 16mm of space which actually would make the difference between fit and not fit (my calves are 40cm).

So you're wrong gem

but you can go for the eee/standard fit (404mm) and wear thick socks, no?

or the extra wide/e fit.

 

[zenie]

you could just get them stretched at a cobblers

I had to do it with some carvela boots, fuckin skinny legs the models they try them on must have, it's utterly ridiculous!

 

[5t3IIa]

If I buy boots in Evans I get size 5 but flat shoes are 6. It's trial and error, which is annoying

I see plenty of thin women in Evans shoe dept. Slender and tall black women, mostly.

 

[spanglechick]

If I buy boots in Evans I get size 5 but flat shoes are 6. It's trial and error, which is annoying

I see plenty of thin women in Evans shoe dept. Slender and tall black women, mostly.

i've never been able to get evans boots done up - not even when i was a size 16. they aren't very wide, imo - considering they make clothes for >size 30.

 

[5t3IIa]

i've never been able to get evans boots done up - not even when i was a size 16. they aren't very wide, imo - considering they make clothes for >size 30.

Oh god, that's a bummer I am fat all over and my calves aren't extraordinary so I'm OK with Evans.

I do plan to start cycling again soon so I may well be onto you for advice about how to get even wider boots Turn that flab into muscle and enlarge myself out of any and all High Street stores!

 

[quimcunx]

What also doesn't help me is having such short legs. While my legs are moving onto calf, the boots are still thinking ankle.

 

[spanglechick]

What also doesn't help me is having such short legs. While my legs are moving onto calf, the boots are still thinking ankle.

so true! i have a pair of duos like that!

 

[pinkmonkey]

*raises hand too*

Duo are great and hardwearing but far from cheap. Evans boots fit my chubby calves, but being wide-fitting, means two pairs of socks, as my feet are fairly narrow. I believe this problem relates to where many boots are made, ie in Aisa, China and the far East - the women there are stick-like and virtually calf-less.

No, we fit them on Europeans in the UK and all the lasts are developed in Europe and shipped over to be copied. Asian feet are a completely different shape to European feet anyway, it would be a mistake to fit them over there. But alot of the leg patterns were based on patterns from the 60's and 70's. We have made them bigger over the years and some stores make them bigger still, but you can't please all of the people all of the time, make them too wide and thinner people will complain. You have to try different brands as they all have different fits, it's just not possible to cater for everyone, unfortunately. Clothes are easy to store because they will pack away flat, boots are not. There isn't a shoe shop with a stock room big enough to cater for all fittings and tastes.

Duo are expensive because they are made in Europe and either made to order or in small runs, almost like sample runs. They are a very keen price for what they are, from my POV I've been wondering how they manage to do it at that price, plus the logistics much be a headache. It's consumers who have got used to not paying the true cost to make a pair of shoes. The price has actually gone down in the past 20 years, but the cost of manufacture has gone up by a lot. I've just (regrettably) had to move a range of shoes to China, because we just couldn't afford to do it in Europe anymore. Would you pay £150 for a pair of flat sandals? Thought not! it also explains why Faith, Dolcis, Stylo, Barratts, Priceless, Ravel and Shellys have all gone bust, because no one is making any money, they are being squeezed by rising costs (currency and EU anti dumping duties are the biggest problem).

Anyway, I'm working on a range of shoes for women size 8 to 11 feet. We are deliberately not doing a very wide fitting because Emotion does it. We had to make that decision. Its not possible to cater for everyone because the tooling up would cost too much, we want to do wedges for instance, but at that size, we'd need a pair of wedge moulds for each shoe size - at a £1000 a pair of moulds - we changed our minds!

 

[5t3IIa]

No, we fit them on Europeans in the UK and all the lasts are developed in Europe and shipped over to be copied. Asian feet are a completely different shape to European feet anyway, it would be a mistake to fit them over there. But alot of the leg patterns were based on patterns from the 60's and 70's. We have made them bigger over the years and some stores make them bigger still, but you can't please all of the people all of the time, make them too wide and thinner people will complain. You have to try different brands as they all have different fits, it's just not possible to cater for everyone, unfortunately. Clothes are easy to store because they will pack away flat, boots are not. There isn't a shoe shop with a stock room big enough to cater for all fittings and tastes.

Duo are expensive because they are made in Europe and either made to order or in small runs, almost like sample runs. They are a very keen price for what they are, from my POV I've been wondering how they manage to do it at that price, plus the logistics much be a headache. It's consumers who have got used to not paying the true cost to make a pair of shoes. The price has actually gone down in the past 20 years, but the cost of manufacture has gone up by a lot. I've just (regrettably) had to move a range of shoes to China, because we just couldn't afford to do it in Europe anymore. Would you pay £150 for a pair of flat sandals? Thought not! it also explains why Faith, Dolcis, Stylo, Barratts, Priceless, Ravel and Shellys have all gone bust, because no one is making any money, they are being squeezed by rising costs (currency and EU anti dumping duties are the biggest problem).

Anyway, I'm working on a range of shoes for women size 8 to 11 feet. We are deliberately not doing a very wide fitting because Emotion does it. We had to make that decision. Its not possible to cater for everyone because the tooling up would cost too much, we want to do wedges for instance, but at that size, we'd need a pair of wedge moulds for each shoe size - at a £1000 a pair of moulds - we changed our minds!

Well, hello. May I present 'Golly do you work for a shoemaker? I used to too until November when they made me redundant, you wouldn't know of any vacancies would you?' thread drift

 

[pinkmonkey]

you'll have to pm me......

 

[Tank Girl]

i've never been able to get evans boots done up - not even when i was a size 16. they aren't very wide, imo - considering they make clothes for >size 30.

I find them too wide in the leg a lot of the time

 

[spanglechick]

I find them too wide in the leg a lot of the time

but considering how slim you are in comparison to the evans size range (14- 32) that's not surprising. they don't seem to be making boots for the same people they make clothes for.

 

[quimcunx]

Well, hello. May I present 'Golly do you work for a shoemaker? I used to too until November when they made me redundant, you wouldn't know of any vacancies would you?' thread drift

 

[Tank Girl]

but considering how slim you are in comparison to the evans size range (14- 32) that's not surprising. they don't seem to be making boots for the same people they make clothes for.

that's the first time me and slim have shared the same sentence

 

[trashpony]

but you can go for the eee/standard fit (404mm) and wear thick socks, no?

or the extra wide/e fit.

Oh yes - it's not the boots being too wide I'm worried about (as if ) but too tight. I just think it's utterly absurd to link foot size to calf width. I struggle horribly with low cut shoes and sandals too - my feet are just too wide to fit into most of them

 

[geminisnake]

So you're wrong gem

If you notice those sizes are for simply be, which I guess is a shop for cuddlier ladies. Therein lies the difference. All the boots I have bought in the last year( a few pairs ) or so don't have tighter calves depending on the size so

 

[trashpony]

If you notice those sizes are for simply be, which I guess is a shop for cuddlier ladies. Therein lies the difference. All the boots I have bought in the last year( a few pairs ) or so don't have tighter calves depending on the size so

I still think they do. I'm going to PM pinkmonkey

 

[geminisnake]

I still think they do. I'm going to PM pinkmonkey

Well if she tells you about any thinner calved boots let me know coz it's be nice to have some that are a bit tighter
Flappy calves has put me off several pairs, though tbh that's probably a good thing

 

[spanglechick]

Well if she tells you about any thinner calved boots let me know coz it's be nice to have some that are a bit tighter
Flappy calves has put me off several pairs, though tbh that's probably a good thing

duo do thinner calves too.

 

[pinkmonkey]

I still think they do. I'm going to PM pinkmonkey

I'm going to look in my shoe technologists books. They do grade them bigger as the size gets bigger, but there may only be two fittings , not one for every size.

 

[trashpony]

I'm going to look in my shoe technologists books. They do grade them bigger as the size gets bigger, but there may only be two fittings , not one for every size.

Please do. I know they do width wise as I've tried on size 6s sandals which fit but can't get my toes into a 4.

Thanks

 

[pinkmonkey]

Ok, its says 9.5mm increase in calf circumference per size, at the middle of the calf, you are also supposed to make them a bit longer and adjust where the calf and heel hit, but not to grade them up identically otherwise by the time you get to an 8 they would be thigh length! Looking at this book, its not an exact science. <head hurts>. it says the average calf girth for a 4 is 333mm (book published in 1985 and is German). So Trashy, you are right!

But is says here, you can get away with one leg pattern per two sizes (to save on press knives - which are basically like giant pasty cutters and cost about a tenner each.)

 

[geminisnake]

duo do thinner calves too.

Think the most I've ever spent on a pair of boots is about £80, and they were thigh high heeled ones.
I'm a sales shopper. Cheers though.

 

[spanglechick]

Think the most I've ever spent on a pair of boots is about £80, and they were thigh high heeled ones.
I'm a sales shopper. Cheers though.

duo sale still on til tommorrow. some boots around the £40 mark. search by foot and calf size.

 

[secretsquirrel]

pinkmonkey - what sort of heel heights are you doing for your larger lady shoes? one of my great bug bears is that chances are if you're a 9 or above you're also going to be pretty tall and don't want a 3 inch heel on top!!!