Fat Beauty Contest Now

[madzone]

Well to turn your question around... why should women (or men) lose weight in order to be approved of?

Exactly - what I was going to say

 

[Sweaty Betty]

The problem is we all aspire to some perfect idealism that is unreal and completely unobtainable for some due to genetics, bone structure and shape...

 

[gaijingirl]

Thats exactly my point, but yet skinny people suffer just as much as fat people do, but yet more concern is given to larger people....strange innit

Yes, exactly, because it's "good" to be skinny and "bad" to be anything other. I get Heat/Now/Closer every week (I'm my own worst enemy). All these... "she's too skinny"... "celebrating curvy girls" articles are complete bollocks when two pages later there are photos showing supermodels with an tiny bit of cellulite, pointing and laughing. It's fucking shit for everyone, fat, thin or otherwise.

But at the end of the day, I'd still rather be horribly underweight than horribly overweight. I'd have the same set of problems but with a lot less to deal with from society.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I don't think skinny people get turned down from jobs, or that people think they smell or they're incompetent, lazy or greedy which are all things overweight people are accused of.

It's no fun not being able to gain weight, sure, but I don't think there's the same level of what is really verging on disgust from society.

No your right and thanks for opening my mind......

Just making the personal point that i get just as offended being called skinny as i do fat............

 

[spanglechick]

Thats exactly my point, but yet skinny people suffer just as much as fat people do, but yet more concern is given to larger people....strange innit

i think skinny people do suffer. certainly the cover of heat magazine slags off the underweight more than it does the overweight.

But at the same time, on all the pages in between - the best outfits of the week, the who's dating who, the spotted shopping in tesco pics, it's those same underweight women.

The prejudice against fat people runs deeper. we're invisible because society sees us as having bad characters and personalities. As zenie said: having no control.

It doesn't need to be a competition, though. There is prejudice facing anyone whose body doesn't conform to societal norms.

 

[spanglechick]

I notce they were referring to them as plus sizes.

I don't actively like that phrase, but it carries fewer connotations than the alternatives, so all my acting CVs etc describe me as a "plus size actor".

 

[madzone]

I'm 41 and married. As long as my husband finds me attractive why should it matter a fuck what I look like? I should be defined by who I am and what I do, not how I look surely?

 

[Sweaty Betty]

i think skinny people do suffer. certainly the cover of heat magazine slags off the underweight more than it does the overweight.

But at the same time, on all the pages in between - the best outfits of the week, the who's dating who, the spotted shopping in tesco pics, it's those same underweight women.

The prejudice against fat people runs deeper. we're invisible because society sees us as having bad characters and personalities. As zenie said: having no control.

It doesn't need to be a competition, though. There is prejudice facing anyone whose body doesn't conform to societal norms.

oh i know ,wasnt making it a comp mate, the grass aint as green as they are painting , let me tell you!!!!!
The control issues behind my eating disorder are the same fat or thin....

 

[wtfftw]

I don't think skinny people get turned down from jobs, or that people think they smell or they're incompetent, lazy or greedy which are all things overweight people are accused of.

It's no fun not being able to gain weight, sure, but I don't think there's the same level of what is really verging on disgust from society.

Well put.

I forgot this programme was on. gah. I was quite interested to see if they took the women seriously (sort of, I can't see beauty contests as serious) or if it was another excuse to showcase some 'freaks'.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I'm 41 and married. As long as my husband finds me attractive why should it matter a fuck what I look like? I should be defined by who I am and what I do, not how I look surely?

Thats the aim, but im dogged by dysmorphia, eating issues, low self esteem..

I have always dealt with my shitty feeling inside by trying to control things outside of myself..To the outside world i was amazing, inside i was a sham.Weight, food intake, drink , image, money , sex...drugs became my control mecahnism...

Its called self obsession and i used it to make me feel happier in side, because the pain was too great to face...........I hit the floor, got sober, and im still left with the issues and life thats scary, but now i try to deal with my feelings without running, from the inside out, not the other way around....

My friend always reminds me.....
"make sure your insides match your outsides"

 

[zed]

The prejudice against fat people runs deeper. we're invisible because society sees us as having bad characters and personalities. As zenie said: having no control.

I think that is total rubbish.

And it is comments like this that make this an almost impossible topic to discuss without things getting heated ...not people "not undertsanding that it's not easy". We all know how "not easy" lots of things are.

"Society sees us as having bad characters"!!!

FFS.

 

[spanglechick]

Well put.

I forgot this programme was on. gah. I was quite interested to see if they took the women seriously (sort of, I can't see beauty contests as serious) or if it was another excuse to showcase some 'freaks'.

i only saw the second half, but it seemed quite sensitive - if a little shallow. I didn't feel like i knew any of the participants.

 

[spanglechick]

I think that is total rubbish.

And it is comments like this that make this an almost impossible topic to discuss without things getting heated ...not people "not undertsanding that it's not easy". We all know how "not easy" lots of things are.

"Society sees us as having bad characters"!!!

FFS.

ok - so what trashy said about employers not employing overweight people because they imagine them to be lazy, greedy and smelly - did you see that bit?

did you do as i suggested earlier and research the problems faced by the chronically obese in losing weight?

If you know how "not easy" it is, why did you ask your simplistic question in your first post?

 

[madzone]

Thats the aim, but im dogged by dysmorphia, eating issues, low self esteem..

I have always dealt with my shitty feeling inside by trying to control things outside of myself..To the outside world i was amazing, inside i was a sham.Weight, food intake, drink , image, money , sex...drugs became my control mecahnism...

Its called self obsession and i used it to make me feel happier in side, because the pain was too great to face...........I hit the floor, got sober, and im still left with the issues and life thats scary, but now i try to deal with my feelings without running, from the inside out, not the other way around....

My friend always reminds me.....
"make sure your insides match your outsides"

Don't get me wrong, I haven't reached some self esteem nirvana. I've got a hell of a long way to go but as things get better (and being chronically ill has aslo helped me reconsider what's actually important ) I realise that people who I genuinely care for and who care for me don't really notice my size.

From what I've seen on here your insides and outsides are lovely

 

[golightly]

I didn't feel like i knew any of the participants.

That was because it focussed on Charlotte and her plans to create the beauty contest. Because it was a documentary it did leave the viewer on the outside looking in. It would have been interesting if they just showed a fat birds' beauty contest and the viewers were able to feel part of it, IFYSWIM.

 

[brixtonvilla]

Thought the Norn Irish girl running it was an absolute fox. And that zed is full of shit on this particular thread.

 

[gaijingirl]

I think that is total rubbish.

And it is comments like this that make this an almost impossible topic to discuss without things getting heated ...not people "not undertsanding that it's not easy". We all know how "not easy" lots of things are.

"Society sees us as having bad characters"!!!

FFS.

Well I think it's true that society does see fat people as having "bad characters". Certainly if someone says to me that I lack personal discipline - I would see that as "bad".

But still ....most people who are seriously fat, are so because they are not prepared to have the personal discipline to lose weight.

If fat weren't a bad thing why would it be such an effective insult?

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Don't get me wrong, I haven't reached some self esteem nirvana. I've got a hell of a long way to go but as things get better (and being chronically ill has aslo helped me reconsider what's actually important ) I realise that people who I genuinely care for and who care for me don't really notice my size.

From what I've seen on here your insides and outsides are lovely

LOL

Yes thats soo true...perspective kicks in bit by bit and you slowly peel that onion, which i believe will take all lifetime.. As long as im forever learning thats all i ask as to go back to m,y life of denial and ignorance would be such a shame....keep on ploddding innit mate

 

[wtfftw]

(and being chronically ill has aslo helped me reconsider what's actually important )

That's exactly it for me. Sure I'd prefer a wider (haha) choice of cheaper clothes but being fat is the least my body throws at me. It doesn't help the whole 'fat and lazy' thing but then, if other people think that then they're not worth my time to correct.


Sounds like it's not a bad thing that I missed the programme. I'd probably have found charlotte annoying (that's the kind of mood I'm in).

 

[zed]

I am not talking about people who are a bit overweight ..or a bit big.

I'm talking about seriously fat or obese. The vast majority of these people can do something about it ...but choose not to because "it's not easy". That kind of attitude really pisses me off. Big fucking time.

Many of us have areas where we have less control ...but I genuinely do not believe that people cast negative aspersions because of a weakness we might have. Most people will think someone is "bad" over something they do or say ...not what they look like.

Believing this is just another cop out.

It is simply not true in the majority of people ...at least not the majority of people I have known in my lifetime.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

That's exactly it for me. Sure I'd prefer a wider (haha) choice of cheaper clothes but being fat is the least my body throws at me. It doesn't help the whole 'fat and lazy' thing but then, if other people think that then they're not worth my time to correct.


Sounds like it's not a bad thing that I missed the programme. I'd probably have found charlotte annoying (that's the kind of mood I'm in).

Thers nothing like a good bit of tv stalking....

Makosi kept me going for months last year....

 

[sojourner]

LOL

Yes thats soo true...perspective kicks in bit by bit and you slowly peel that onion, which i believe will take all lifetime.. As long as im forever learning thats all i ask as to go back to m,y life of denial and ignorance would be such a shame....keep on ploddding innit mate

Do ya know, thats about the most insightful thing iv ever seen you post on here, and that's really not meant to be patronising

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

But still ....most people who are seriously fat, are so because they are not prepared to have the personal discipline to lose weight. If you don't put fat in your body, you can't get fat. note my use of the word 'most'. Not 'all'. Most.

I don't know many thin people who have the self-control to eat less than 1000 calories a day, or exercise for and hour and half most days, or even measure every drop of food that goes in their mouth. Thats what it takes for me to maintain my weight. All the while, I get to watch the naturally thin people eat things I can't think of having.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I am not talking about people who are a bit overweight ..or a bit big.

I'm talking about seriously fat or obese. The vast majority of these people can do something about it ...but choose not to because "it's not easy". That kind of attitude really pisses me off. Big fucking time.

Many of us have areas where we have less control ...but I genuinely do not believe that people cast negative aspersions because of a weakness we might have. Most people will think someone is "bad" over something they do or say ...not what they look like.

Believing this is just another cop out.

It is simply not true in the majority of people ...at least not the majority of people I have known in my lifetime.

I felt like that when i had taken it so far with the drink, society shunned me or rather i had shunned society , and i thought it would be easier to die drunk than get help..........

Actually it was tough love that got me straight ...

 

[dlx1]

3 pages.

Oh and zed beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Being slim doesn't automatically make you attractive and some guys LOVE big women.

big ish. Chunky monkey

Hate the skinny barbie doll look. look like trash to me. they all look the same.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

Do ya know, thats about the most insightful thing iv ever seen you post on here, and that's really not meant to be patronising

Not at all mate...

Its the tits and arse and general flooziness i exude that gives peeps the wrong impression......

Never judge a book by its cover.......some though think they have me all worked out on here..............They are not even close...

You know who you are.....

 

[gaijingirl]

I am not talking about people who are a bit overweight ..or a bit big.

I'm talking about seriously fat or obese. The vast majority of these people can do something about it ...but choose not to because "it's not easy". That kind of attitude really pisses me off. Big fucking time.

IME the people who are seriously fat or obese are precisely the people for whom it really is difficult to do something about it. I know that I, and many people like me have an extremely long history of dieting to the point of self-abuse. In fact I don't know anyone who is seriously fat or obese who just accidentally got that way and can't be bothered to do anything about it "because it's not easy" - on the contrary, thinking about dieting, being thin, dieting, restricting, trying takes up the majority of our time. It gets a bit tiring, not to mention embarrassing having to explain to people the horrible cycle of dieting, failing, guilt, self-hatred, self-abuse, dieting, failing, guilt etc etc... especially when faced with the simplistic and frankly ignorant assertation "you just don't have any will power or discipline".

 

[Sweaty Betty]

IME the people who are seriously fat or obese are precisely the people for whom it really is difficult to do something about it. I know that I, and many people like me have an extremely long history of dieting to the point of self-abuse. In fact I don't know anyone who is seriously fat or obese who just accidentally got that way and can't be bothered to do anything about it "because it's not easy" - on the contrary, thinking about dieting, being thin, dieting, restricting, trying takes up the majority of our time. It gets a bit tiring, not to mention embarrassing having to explain to people the horrible cycle of dieting, failing, guilt, self-hatred, self-abuse, dieting, failing, guilt etc etc... especially when faced with the simplistic and frankly ignorant assertation "you just don't have any will power or discipline".

I find striking comparisons with obesity and my alcoholism.....

 

[zed]

IME the people who are seriously fat or obese are precisely the people for whom it really is difficult to do something about it. I know that I, and many people like me have an extremely long history of dieting to the point of self-abuse. In fact I don't know anyone who is seriously fat or obese who just accidentally got that way and can't be bothered to do anything about it "because it's not easy" - on the contrary, thinking about dieting, being thin, dieting, restricting, trying takes up the majority of our time. It gets a bit tiring, not to mention embarrassing having to explain to people the horrible cycle of dieting, failing, guilt, self-hatred, self-abuse, dieting, failing, guilt etc etc... especially when faced with the simplistic and frankly ignorant assertation "you just don't have any will power or discipline".

What is causing the continual failure?

Listen, I am tired of making assumptions ...and I'm sure that your situation is different from most of the others.

All I know is that after coming back here after living abroad for over 8 years, all I saw was fat people. Everywhere. Even fat children. It was so noticeable, it almost took my breath away. It took me almost 6 months of being back before I stopped mentioning it. Before I went away, I noticed loads and loads of fast food shops and fast food products appearing all over the place. My reckoning is that the two are not unconnected.

Some people become alcoholics without really noticing. Coke can creep up and grab people too. Neither of these things are easy to beat either.

So anyway, about the TV programme. Did it help with how fat people might be generally percieved?

 

[nozferatu]

Some of those girls were gorgeous to my eyes,some of the others that i didnt fancy looked like a good laugh and nice enough people.

I cant wait for the day that some women realize that not all fella's go for the skellington look.

variety is what its all about