fredfelt
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Yes, and I suspect it can only increase more.
Farewell, then, sub £1 a litre fuel :(
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Yes, and I suspect it can only increase more.
Yes, but if they spot a trend towards increasing LPG usage hacking into the shedloads of cash raped out of motorists for fuel duty (and the VAT charged on top), then they'll remedy the situation.
Just like they did when Diesel usage started to increase......
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Well that certainly is interesting (great link) I would not have expected that!
So the dream of owning a 9mpg Jensen Interceptor is well and truly over.
9mpg is a fair bit better than this car.
jontz01
taking refuge in the loft
So the dream of owning a 9mpg Jensen Interceptor is well and truly over.
hahahaha my dad's got one in the garage. It hasn't been out since the gulf war!
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
Are they likely to reduce fuel duty?
I've got my doubts- it was the Tories who introduced the fuel duty escalator, remember!
fredfelt
Mostly unknown member
Despite Labour's initial promise to reduce car dependency and car use tax as a % of fuel cost has fallen in the last 10 years.
(page 55 http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistic...sgb/2009edition/section3energyenvironment.pdf)
It still needs to drop a long way to bring it into line with the likes of the US, never mind South Africa.
If the Government actually gave a toss about reducing car dependency, then the tax would be hypothecated and spent on buying hemp woven lentil powered buses, as opposed to just plugging gaps in Labour's inability to manage the UK's finances.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
It's never coming down to where people want it to be. Get used to it.
fredfelt
Mostly unknown member
From my experience the US model is not one to follow. When I lived there I could not walk to the nearest shop as there was not a pavement. It was only 500 metres away but I had no option but to drive. I put on loads of weight when I lived in the US, partly for this reason.
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
I don't think we would ever follow the US model. Our population densities are too high for one thing.
Realistically we aren't gonna cut petrol tax, but I would be against further rises. Like Cobbles says, they only go into the general taxation pot, not on public transport.
fredfelt
Mostly unknown member
Ring fencing revenues for particular usage is a bit of a stupid approach anyway. For instance revenues from smoking goes into the general taxation pot. I don't think this should be ring fenced and put into a special fund to support smokers.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
I paid 114.9p a litre in Bath just now!
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
That's still below the UK average!
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
as well it should be limiting the freedom of movement of a population is a ludicrous idea.
Griff
Feeding the foxes
118p Round my way.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Wow, that's alarming. It was 117.9 in Wootton Basset yesterday, but we figured they'd just put it up a bit for all the bikes, tbh.
It was "only" 111.9p hereabouts within the last couple of weeks.
It was "only" 111.9p hereabouts within the last couple of weeks.
Griff
Feeding the foxes
This is going to be an expensive summer when it comes to those weeked rides
Yep.
My weekend fun car does about 22 mpg, so sticking a tenner in each weekend doesn't go far. Then there are those sunny days that you just have to drive it to work and think 'fuck the boring diesel'.
Garek
Living n ADDled chaos
Yep.
My weekend fun car does about 22 mpg, so sticking a tenner in each weekend doesn't go far. Then there are those sunny days that you just have to drive it to work and think 'fuck the boring diesel'.
22mpg
Ouch. What is it?For me it is 1 tank for the 5 days commuting, and 1 tank for the weekend blast. Which makes that blast seem somewhat expensive.
roryer
道可道非常道，名可名非常名
This is from the Evening Standard, so I could link to it, but won't.
Basically they argue that we should not raise the duty on petrol by 3p, as planned, as according to them this will apparently hurt the economy.
It should be pointed out that the essential journies to and from work etc. tend to be relativley price inelastic, we mainly saw a decrease in off peak journies for leisure during the last oil price spike for instance.
Cheaper fuel tends to increase VMT (vehicle miles travelled), which in turn leads to increase in imports of oil, (we became a net-importer at the turn of the millennium), which in turn has a massive impact on our balance of payments and public debt is increased. In order to pay for this we would need to cut spending on... public transport and cycling? Thus further locking us in to a fairly inefficient, (in terms of resources), transport system.
As it is generally accepted that the cost of energy will increase in the coming decades, it might be argued that rather than doing all we can to protect a car dependent transport system which probably cannot survive the coming energy crunch anyway, we should instead be ramping up tax on fuel to pay for a reorganisation of our working and living arrangements so that the majority of trips are either eliminated altogether, and redesigning our towns and cities so the majority of trips are made by the most effcient means.
Good urban design would be one area we need to invest in, for a start putting goods and services nearer to the people who use them, the reverse of current policies of closing post offices, local hospitals, and by encouraging choice in education meaning children need to travel further to school etc.,
I woudl also argue that it is high time we had 20mph limits enforced in all our towns and cities to make them safe for cycling, while investing in public transport linking the main centres.
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
I'm not sure the AA or anyone else is calling for *cheaper* fuel, just for the already stratospheric tax on it not to be increased any further.
roryer
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OK, assuming you accept we are in a bit of a hole and without addressing our deficits sterling could take a bit of a battering, which would of course increase fuel costs as it is measured in dollars.
What do you suggest we cut, or what taxes should we increase?
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
Therin lies the rub, of course.
In an ideal world I'd say increase income tax, but that, of course is already going up for the richest, and putting it up further could result in us hitting the dreaded 'laffer curve' effect. I'd certainly bring the 50% rate in at 100,000, if not 70,000
Madness, though, that we tax fuel on the grounds that driving is 'bad', then spend millions if not billions on bailing out auto companies and widening the roads........
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
Rory wouldn't link to the Evening Standard, and now I'm going to have to link to the 'current bun', which is arguably worse. Anyway, here we go http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/money/2893820/Freeze-fuel-tax-or-20000-jobs-go.html
Forget the SCREAMING BANNER HEADLINES about 20,000 job cuts. Look at the table. You can see that the UK actually has the cheapest petrol price before tax, but the dearest after tax.
Now I'm wondering what countries may have been left out, possibly Norway but other than that, it is a pretty good indicator of what people are talking about.
Forget the SCREAMING BANNER HEADLINES about 20,000 job cuts. Look at the table. You can see that the UK actually has the cheapest petrol price before tax, but the dearest after tax.
Now I'm wondering what countries may have been left out, possibly Norway but other than that, it is a pretty good indicator of what people are talking about.
No. instead of investing it in transport infrastructure, it just gets flushed down the pan funding legions of non-jobs in the public sector.
"Consultation and Community Engagement Officer"
£37,692 - £40,314
You’ll develop innovative, sustainable policies and programmes for consultation and engagement and provide expert advice to managers, councillors and partners in this specialized area. High on your list of priorities will be ensuring we meet the requirements of the Duty to Involve and capitalizing on the opportunities presented by new neighbourhood governance arrangements. We’ll look to you to promote cultural change, disseminate best practice and respond to changes in legislation and Government policy.
You'll have a lot of engaging and promoting to do but no real work and nobody'll notice if you don't turn up to work for weeks whilst you spend time attending critical courses on engagement and promoting...........
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