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Farage To Stay As UKIP Leader

YouSir said:
Flavour of the month status fades though. Farage was a good story for the election but how much coverage will they be getting in two years time with one MP? Might be underestimating their ability to keep the limelight but who knows. Guess any referendum and possible PR campaigning gives them something to do though.
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The reasons driving support for UKIP aren't going away, and neither is the failure of the other establishment parties to address them or even engage with them. The referendum is manna for them - either it's a vote to leave (which Farage claims the credit for and gets a bounce from) or its a massive sell out of the British people who've been hoodwinked etc etc
 
Smokeandsteam said:
The reasons driving support for UKIP aren't going away, and neither is the failure of the other establishment parties to address them or even engage with them. The referendum is manna for them - either it's a vote to leave (which Farage claims the credit for and gets a bounce from) or its a massive sell out of the British people who've been hoodwinked etc etc
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Aye, wouldn't say the support will disappear, just that they might. Beyond having Farage and not being one of the big three UKIP is a mess from what I can see and they could be replaced by... well, who knows who. But they were pushed to where they are now by hype and the media that did it can be fickle.
 
its not just hype and the media- look at how much of the cllrs map round my way is purple. And the media from where I'm sat has been fairly hostile to UKIP. Whens the next euros? they'll clean up again.
 
YouSir said:
Aye, wouldn't say the support will disappear, just that they might. Beyond having Farage and not being one of the big three UKIP is a mess from what I can see and they could be replaced by... well, who knows who. But they were pushed to where they are now by hype and the media that did it can be fickle.
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They've made the right call - he's the only one who could hold them together in my view and is the only one with profile.
 
All Farage's talk about finally getting a chance to put his feet up...he's still got a job as an MEP has he not? A job for which he is well paid despite not actually turning up to vote on anything?
 
How many more lies does Farage think he can get away with? The number of East Europeans who were going to 'flood' into Britain at the beginning of last year, the net cost of membership of the EU, the number of Uk laws 'passed in Brussels' and now this.

Next he'll be denying that he ever said “we will never win the nigger vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us.”
 
DotCommunist said:
its not just hype and the media- look at how much of the cllrs map round my way is purple. And the media from where I'm sat has been fairly hostile to UKIP. Whens the next euros? they'll clean up again.
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It's not media hype that creates the audience but I do think it's media hype that creates the party. If UKIP prove not to have the active support to keep them in the public eye, which they may not have then it's not hard to imagine another 'anti-establishmemt' party taking their job. Not for the good I should add.

Smokeandsteam said:
They've made the right call - he's the only one who could hold them together in my view and is the only one with profile.
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As I said, he's one of their strengths. Without him they really would fade away. So let's all hope for a heart attack eh?
 
YouSir said:
So let's all hope for a heart attack eh?
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nothing so banal, i'm sure. my money's on him in a hot air balloon drifting out over the straits of dover carried off to the carpathians on a contrary wind only to be savaged by wolves and returning hideously disfigured.
 
YouSir said:
Flavour of the month status fades though. Farage was a good story for the election but how much coverage will they be getting in two years time with one MP? Might be underestimating their ability to keep the limelight but who knows. Guess any referendum and possible PR campaigning gives them something to do though.
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They also have council seats, 13 for instance on Rotherham council, they are not going away.
 
DotCommunist said:
its not just hype and the media- look at how much of the cllrs map round my way is purple. And the media from where I'm sat has been fairly hostile to UKIP. Whens the next euros? they'll clean up again.
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Yep. Having won two seats in by-elections they were written off as people would not risk their votes in the serious election. Well, just shy of 4 million people did vote for UKIP last Thurdsay. In numbers of votes cast UKIP are the third largest party in the UK by miles. It's not wise to write them off so casually as many people seem to be doing, over and over again.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Yep. Having won two seats in by-elections they were written off as people would not risk their votes in the serious election. Well, just shy of 4 million people did vote for UKIP last Thurdsay. In numbers of votes cast UKIP are the third largest party in the UK by miles. It's not wise to write them off so casually as many people seem to be doing, over and over again.
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among the problems ukip will face over the next five years is recruiting and retaining sufficient credible (ie non-racist or at least not overtly racist or utterly loony) candidates. i wonder how they'll fare.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Yep. Having won two seats in by-elections they were written off as people would not risk their votes in the serious election. Well, just shy of 4 million people did vote for UKIP last Thurdsay. In numbers of votes cast UKIP are the third largest party in the UK by miles. It's not wise to write them off so casually as many people seem to be doing, over and over again.
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I'm just thinking out loud here so you or anyone else feel free to call bollocks on me.

The ukip vote in post-industrial run down towns is one factor

the racist vote is another factor

the fuck the both of you, I'm voting UKIP factor another.

Does any of that seem innaccurate? We'll need to understand why if we have any hope of gettin the pint weilding populist fucked off
 
Pickman's model said:
among the problems ukip will face over the next five years is recruiting and retaining sufficient credible (ie non-racist or at least not overtly racist or utterly loony) candidates. i wonder how they'll fare.
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A bigger problem for them is choosing which horse to ride - either the one that allows them to challenge Labour in the post industrial north/coastal towns etc or the horse aimed at disgruntled, often elderly, Tories. They cannot ride both forever.
 
DotCommunist said:
I'm just thinking out loud here so you or anyone else feel free to call bollocks on me.

The ukip vote in post-industrial run down towns is one factor

the racist vote is another factor

the fuck the both of you, I'm voting UKIP factor another.

Does any of that seem innaccurate? We'll need to understand why if we have any hope of gettin the pint weilding populist fucked off
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I live in super wealthy Surrey, Hunt got 59.9% of the vote. UKIP came second by quite a long way.

My area is not a hotbed of racism and is not rundown post-industrial.

I really think the cons and labour need to work out why people feel the need to vote UKIP, not all those 4 million are swivel-eyed loons and rabid racists; there's a lot of people for whom the two parties are so far removed from they'll vote for anything that seems familiar.

maybe?
 
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They have a lot of older, retired members, and they have a lot of time to put into building up the party.

There are idealogical conflicts, like UKIP supporters wanting railways renationalised more than any of the other parties whilst a lot of the ex-tory and young libertarians putting the brains into the party would want nothing of the sort. I imagine if left to the broader supporters/membership it'd end up a bit like the have-your-cake-and-eat-it New Zealand First which wants to renationalise public services, invest heavily in infrastructure at the same time as cut taxes (alongside the same xenophobia as UKIP).
 
Smokeandsteam said:
A bigger problem for them is choosing which horse to ride - either the one that allows them to challenge Labour in the post industrial north/coastal towns etc or the horse aimed at disgruntled, often elderly, Tories. They cannot ride both forever.
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I don't see why not. Until they have power they never need betray either
 
Bollocks. Only this morning I was giggling that his four month holiday seemed to involve sitting on a plastic chair on some grass in Westminster
 
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Dogsauce said:
They have a lot of older, retired members, and they have a lot of time to put into building up the party.

There are idealogical conflicts, like UKIP supporters wanting railways renationalised more than any of the other parties whilst a lot of the ex-tory and young libertarians putting the brains into the party would want nothing of the sort. I imagine if left to the broader supporters/membership it'd end up a bit like the have-your-cake-and-eat-it New Zealand First which wants to renationalise public services, invest heavily in infrastructure at the same time as cut taxes (alongside the same xenophobia as UKIP).
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NZF is also very personality-driven, having started and continued as a vehicle for Winston Peters, who is basically the Kiwi Farage.
 
DotCommunist said:
its an astute political move by the falange- fall on your sword, in the knowledge that your people will come to you and say 'no, we need you too much'- thus re-enforcing your position and silencing any would be challengers. iirc Stalin did similar in the early stages of barbarossa. I'd need well known expert on these things seventh bullet to confirm the precise details there.
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He was confused and scared by the scale and rapidity of the German invasion and Red Army collapse in its wake so took a while to get it together, but was still active in monitoring what was going on via the armed forces and NKVD when that information did reach him. Why do an Ivan IV? Did it even happen that way? Who was going to challenge him? The government had fearfully spent the previous few years doing what they believed was necessary for the defence of the Soviet Union against real or imagined enemies within and in league with those without, at risk of great instability. Don't think of Stalin as an evil genius.
 
seventh bullet said:
He was confused and scared by the scale and rapidity of the German invasion and Red Army collapse in its wake so took a while to get it together, but was still active in monitoring what was going on via the armed forces and NKVD when that information did reach him. Why do an Ivan IV? Did it even happen that way? Who was going to challenge him? The government had fearfully spent the previous few years doing what they believed was necessary for the defence of the Soviet Union against real or imagined enemies within and in league with those without, at risk of great instability. Don't think of Stalin as an evil genius.
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Thats the similar line I took from one of sick bags books- he reckoned that when they came to beg him back from self imposed isolation he thought they had come to arrest him
 
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