Farage standing down as UKIP leader

[Wilf]

Together they fight crime!

I actually had a DNA spliced superhero in mind: Just About Right Man

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

This is a good time to reflect on how such a pompous racist fraud became so effective.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I want to do a 'keep your Aaron' joke but can't quite make it fit.

"How can he be Moses when he can't even keep his Aaron?"

 

[Sprocket.]

Perhaps someone will revive a good old British tradition and dump his strangled body in a peat bog.

He could start the PBIP.

 

[Ranbay]

An early candidate has entered the UKIP leadership contest.

Says his name is 'Figel Narage'

 

[billy_bob]

This is a good time to reflect on how such a pompous racist fraud became so effective.

I prefer my racist frauds to be down-to-earth too

 

[wheelie_bin]

He was sacked by Arron Banks and other UKIP backers, I posted last week an article where they said they were setting up a new party without him. This announcement is purely because he likes attention.

 

[butchersapron]

He was sacked by Arron Banks and other UKIP backers, I posted last week an article where they said they were setting up a new party without him. This announcement is purely because he likes attention.

That's nonsense. Farage has nationwide recognition and backing - these people are nothing without him. He might like attention but he's the only effective politician this side has.

 

[wheelie_bin]

Well, you can call it nonsense but I haven't seen anything reported that Arron Banks claims to have been misquoted here: Leave donor plans new party to replace Ukip – possibly without Farage in charge.

 

[hot air baboon]

...hasn't Farage made pretty damn sure no-one capable ever emerged to challenge his position though.....

 

[The39thStep]

I suppose he thinks he can just sit back and watch Britain return to 1954 - which in many ways is very possible.

Bit like football before the Premier League eh?

 

[butchersapron]

Well, you can call it nonsense but I haven't seen anything reported that Arron Banks claims to have been misquoted here: Leave donor plans new party to replace Ukip – possibly without Farage in charge.

I didn't call the fact of that nonsense, but the idea that this is behind his latest stepping down. Farage is the only path these types have. He knows that, they know that. Funding is neither here nor there.

 

[8den]

That's nonsense. Farage has nationwide recognition and backing - these people are nothing without him. He might like attention but he's the only effective politician this side has.

It'd be silly to do it but if we've learnt one thing these past few weeks political parties make stupid decisions.

I'd also question garages popularity. He's never been elected MP after standing what? 7 times?

 

[butchersapron]

It'd be silly to do it but if we've learnt one thing these past few weeks political parties make stupid decisions.

I'd also question garages popularity. He's never been elected MP after standing what? 7 times?

He's more popular than any possible replacement. He's the one that has done the work - and has connected - not due to policies, but to personality - across much of the old labour areas. The rise in old labour areas is not due just to being pissed off but in finding someone they might not have common roots with but who expresses their anger in a shared way. Disliked but respected. No one else in those labour areas has that. The south and that, not bothered.

 

[Casually Red]

Reckon he's saving face. UKIP will continue to delve more and more into fascism.

He's trying to keep himself clean.

Could be something to that . Read somewhere his parting advice to ukip was that they need to appeal to disenfranchised labour voters and avoid being seen as " bitter nativists " . Could well be that others in UKIP have already made their minds up about the way forward. And it may well not be that way . So he's quitting while he's well ahead .

 

[Ax^]

i hear he going to be the next presenter of top gear...

they have be struggling to replace jezza

 

[butchersapron]

i hear he going to be the next presenter of top gear...

they have be struggling to replace jezza

Do you get something from your posting on this board? Because i can assure you that no one else does.

 

[wheelie_bin]

Farage is toxic if the backers want real power. The "new" "moderate" party will be targeting the north east, north west and the south east (non London) for a cross section of disaffected anti established politicians votes. A new name, the troublesome old fools that have been identified already (anti-women, racist etc) being kept out of the new party, a new leader... still anti immigration but with a more positive control and commonwealth agenda. Likely to go pro NHS and give some sort of a sop to workers rights to pick up more Labour votes. They have a far better chance than having Farage and That Poster being waved about to sicken people.

 

[Ax^]

Do you get something from your posting on this board? Because i can assure you that no one else does.

i do it all to purposely annoy you butchers

 

[butchersapron]

Farage is toxic if the backers want real power. The "new" "moderate" party will be targeting the north east, north west and the south east (non London) for a cross section of disaffected anti established politicians votes. A new name, the troublesome old fools that have been identified already (anti-women, racist etc) being kept out of the new party, a new leader... still anti immigration but with a more positive control and commonwealth agenda. Likely to go pro NHS and give some sort of a sop to workers rights to pick up more Labour votes. They have a far better chance than having Farage and That Poster being waved about to sicken people.

What on earth does real power mean? They're not going to win any election - no one from big capital has split and said they represent them. It's silly hobby horse. Singluar. Capital knows what it wants. Calm down.

 

[YouSir]

Could be something to that . Read somewhere his parting advice to ukip was that they need to appeal to disenfranchised labour voters and avoid being seen as " bitter nativists " . Could well be that others in UKIP have already made their minds up about the way forward. And it may well not be that way . So he's quitting while he's well ahead .

I'd say that's a certainty, it's hardwired into chunks of the party. They may have picked up Labour voters on the issue of the EU but it's still a Tory spin off in all but name and as those EU only voters drift off again they'll sink back to their roots, or head back to the Tories proper. And not a tear will be shed as they sink away.

 

[8den]

He's more popular than any possible replacement. He's the one that has done the work - and has connected - not due to policies, but to personality - across much of the old labour areas. The rise in old labour areas is not due just to being pissed off but in finding someone they might not have common roots with but who expresses their anger in a shared way. Disliked but respected. No one else in those labour areas has that. The south and that, not bothered.

I don't doubt that he's more popular than the rest of the UKIP pond scum and he has a weird charisma in a pound shop Enoch Powell way, it's just saying that UKIP would be "lost without him", how hard can it be to find another low rent demagogue?

Hang on what's Galloway doing these days?

 

[Idris2002]

What on earth does real power mean? They're not going to win any election - no one from big capital has split and said they represent them. It's silly hobby horse. Singluar. Capital knows what it wants. Calm down.

I get what you mean about the capital. But - and I think I've said this before - it seems to me that UKIP are that branch of the petit bourgeoisie who were once integrated politically with big capital via the Tory party as it once was. Thatcher might not have gone with them, but Alderman Roberts probably would have.

Is the fact that capital no longer feels it has to keep that social layer on-side significant?

 

[YouSir]

I don't doubt that he's more popular than the rest of the UKIP pond scum and he has a weird charisma in a pound shop Enoch Powell way, it's just saying that UKIP would be "lost without him", how hard can it be to find another low rent demagogue?

Hang on what's Galloway doing these days?

Running to be Pope, having exhausted all other options.

 

[butchersapron]

I get what you mean about the capital. But - and I think I've said this before - it seems to me that UKIP are that branch of the petit bourgeoisie who were once integrated politically with big capital via the Tory party as it once was. Thatcher might not have gone with them, but Alderman Roberts probably would have.

Is the fact that capital no longer feels it has to keep that social layer on-side significant?

No branch at all. They have no big capital backing. Individuals like that sure, but human dust economically - on the verge of big capital taking them over through the relentless competition of wider capital, maybe. We're talking membership. The voters, something different.

On keeping them on-side - they're on side. No where to go. But also small.

 

[8den]

Running to be Pope, having exhausted all other options.

Only because the role of messiah had already been filled.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I can't name any other UKIP councillor or MP. This pleases me immensely. It does though make me think...There is a massive profile and personality void without Nigel. Every pro-UKIP person I have had the misfortune to listen to seems utterly charmed by him. Who else is there?

 

[DotCommunist]

how hard can it be to find another low rent demagogue?

the party was a joke before farage. Who else have they? Niel Hamilton?

 

[Plumdaff]

Has all of this happened because Nigel wanted to sneer at MEPs? We've all gone through all of this so a man could feel haughty.

 

[wheelie_bin]

They want to have MPs and grow a base from there. Look back at Keir Hardy*, he didn't give up based on a few tens of thousands of votes but worked with the unions to extend the movement so by 1910 there were 42 MPs and 142 seats in 1922. They were helped by the extension of right to vote, but more importantly by the Liberal party being in disarray. Right now we have ALL parties in disarray and the referendum is a massive electoral event. Do you still think they will take the small namecheck offered by Farage or might they moderate to become "acceptable" to a broader set of society and take advantage of the situation in the way history has shown it can be done?

*numbers looked up on Wikipedia, I know the overview of the story well but didn't have enough knowledge for the details without help.