Famous, Rich and Homeless 21:00

[N_igma]

That Hardeep cunt was a right silly bastard. Having a go at a smackhead cos he sold drugs, big fucking whoop. I have limited respect for you Hardeep ya tosser.

 

[Epona]

I haven't heard of a single one of them. Hardeep Singh Kohli? A comedian, you say? Sorry, new on me.

Hardeep Singh Kohli, I absolutely bloody adore him and have done for years, just the mere sight of him in a kilt and a tartan turban makes my blood heat up! HOW can you not have heard of him, have you been going nomadic and cut off from civilisation and technology or summat?

He's very very funny and very very huggable.

 

[Epona]

What just happened? Did Hardeep just have a go at someone for waking the other dude up to give him ciggies, then shout that he was a victim too? What?

That Hardeep cunt was a right silly bastard. Having a go at a smackhead cos he sold drugs, big fucking whoop. I have limited respect for you Hardeep ya tosser.

NOOO please tell me it didn't happen I didn't see it, but if this is true I am not happy.

 

[Psychonaut]

NOOO please tell me it didn't happen I didn't see it, but if this is true I am not happy.

the guy in question was dealing before becoming an addict. On learning this, Hardeep said something like 'well i have limited respect/sympathy (?) for you..' It was all very civil.

He didnt come across amazingly well over-all in the 2nd program (or at least the way it was edited) IMO. But he wasnt a complete twat either. ( props for doing it at all, obviously)

 

[Epona]

the guy in question was dealing before becoming an addict. On learning this, Hardeep said something like 'well i have limited respect/sympathy (?) for you..' It was all very civil.

He didnt come across amazingly well over-all in the 2nd program (or at least the way it was edited) IMO. But he wasnt a twat either. ( props for doing it at all, obviously)

E2A: the ciggy thing, that may have been true yes. not good at all!

I will have to watch it before I make a judgement, I do hope he hasn't disgraced himself tho

 

[N_igma]

the guy in question was dealing before becoming an addict. On learning this, Hardeep said something like 'well i have limited respect/sympathy (?) for you..' It was all very civil.

Aye but you could tell the addict was talking shit himself. No one deals smack without being a smackhead themselves, unless they're some sort of high up dealer which this fella clearly wasn't. The dealer was telling porkies to make him sound more respectable which backfired, either way Harpeed was still being a clueless cunt about the whole situation.

 

[N_igma]

I will have to watch it before I make a judgement, I do hope he hasn't disgraced himself tho

Anytime I've seen him on tele he's come across as a nice bloke but this show just made me think "out of touch with reality.com".

 

[Epona]

Anytime I've seen him on tele he's come across as a nice bloke but this show just made me think "out of touch with reality.com".

That's exactly it, he gives off the "nice bloke" vibe. I've seen all those series he did about modern culture and all that, and he came across as eminently "nice", even in the episode where he was trying to keep up with the hard lady binge drinkers and got a bit wobbly that time.

Like I said, I'll have to watch it and decide for myself.

 

[BEARBOT]

the aristo was just revolting..what a waste of space!!!!

that said i also strongly disliked the founder of the big issue.i thought he was needlessly aggressive(which is inexcusable really,he needs anger management counselling pronto,aplogising doesnt make it alright, hopefully it wont take his partner/close freinds cutting him out of their lives for him to seek the help he badly needs for his anger problem) toward annabelle and that corrie actor for identifying with and wanting to help the ppl they were paired with
FFs they arent social workers, trained to be detached.

i thought annabelle showed a lot of sense in fact...she managed to not beg at all, yet eat.she came across as very genuine not snobbish the corrie guy was clearly very moved by the plight of those old alkies.you could see him thinking "this could have been me".

the most moving thing for me was when rosie showed her awfully messed up leg.hopefully that might shake up idiots who drive drunk.

 

[kabbes]

Fucksake -- we watch a whole programme about how being on the streets fucks you up and people are STILL as judgemental as shite.

When Hardeep lost it about the woman waking him up, he'd been sleeping on the street for a week, he'd not eaten properly in a week, he was completely emotionally fried and then one more little thing happened to him that was a "last straw" moment. So he snapped. You would snap too. Maybe not then and there, but at some point. And when you snap, you tend to say things you wouldn't normally say. The whole point of watching this kind of thing is to teach you some fucking empathy.

I thought that whole programme was very well done, actually, and really showed why these problems are not easy to solve and do not lend themselves to a simplistic approach. It was very illustrative for Bruce, for example, to pile in trying to help his buddy and fail to do so. Craig was the keystone for the programme, because he used each situation as a chance to explain to the viewers why these mistakes happen.

One thing that always strikes me is how no matter how hardline a right-winger people are before going on a programme like this, as soon as they actually meet the individuals involved and taste it for themselves, their hardline views just melt away. Frankly it reinforces my opinion that you cannot be right wing and have any imagination. How is it that they can't imagine what it is like without having to live it too?

Interesting too how I was able to completely predict how Bruce's wife would react when he started crying at the end. I knew she'd misunderstand why he was crying and tell him, "it's OK, you're home now." He wasn't crying for himself, Mrs. Bruce, he was crying for those he left behind.

 

[treelover]

Unlike some on here I though Bruce came across as a genuine guy and capable of empathy which not all 'celebs can do: his horror and grief at the paupers cemetry, 500 people buried there! was real and palpable, he also related well to the alcoholics at the centre, Rosie came across well, reflexive and compassionate and imo, as a aside, looks very good for her age...

btw, in any other age, this programme would have had the same impact as 'Cathy Come Home' now, i doubt it....

 

[smokedout]

Unlike some on here I though Bruce came across as a genuine guy and capable of empathy which not all 'celebs can do: his horror and grief at the paupers cemetry, 500 people buried there! was real and palpable, he also related well to the alcoholics at the centre,

cos he's blatantly an alcoholic himself

i agree though, him and rosie were the only ones who came out of it not looking like over-privileged shits

that annabelle, i never, ever thought anyone would make me sympathise with that cunt bird, but she did

 

[kabbes]

WTF? Annabelle Croft did nothing but try to understand what was going on around her. She didn't patronise anyone, she didn't tell anyone that they should be doing something else and, certainly unlike you, she didn't judge anyone. You hate her for what, exactly? Daring to try to live the life of the homeless for a few weeks?

 

[smokedout]

WTF? Annabelle Croft did nothing but try to understand what was going on around her. She didn't patronise anyone, she didn't tell anyone that they should be doing something else and, certainly unlike you, she didn't judge anyone. You hate her for what, exactly? Daring to try to live the life of the homeless for a few weeks?

thinking she could save them by marching them down to the police station

and she was patronising

 

[kabbes]

She didn't "march them down to the police station". She dared to believe the copper that said that she could help them. I think it was a very instructive bit of footage, showing why people on the streets are going to be disillusioned by all the broken promises that they have been made in the past.

And she didn't patronise them at all. You're just looking to have a go at her for reasons of your own.

 

[smokedout]

She didn't "march them down to the police station". She dared to believe the copper that said that she could help them. I think it was a very instructive bit of footage, showing why people on the streets are going to be disillusioned by all the broken promises that they have been made in the past.

and are now even more disillusioned, thats why bird got so angry

and if she really believed that copper (who i think was only a pcso) could help them then that just shows how arrogant and out of touch she is

does she really think its that easy

And she didn't patronise them at all. You're just looking to have a go at her for reasons of your own.

your just sticking up for her cos you fancied her

 

[butchersapron]

don't say 'bird' please

 

[kabbes]

"Arrogant"? Because she believed a figure in authority who said that they could help? That's not arrogance. It's naivity.

She was naive. But that was the whole point of the programme -- to demonstrate that most of us are actually naive about these problems. It doesn't make her a bad person. It doesn't justify this: "that annabelle, i never, ever thought anyone would make me sympathise with that cunt bird, but she did "

 

[smokedout]

"Arrogant"? Because she believed a figure in authority who said that they could help? That's not arrogance. It's naivity.

She was naive. But that was the whole point of the programme -- to demonstrate that most of us are actually naive about these problems. It doesn't make her a bad person. It doesn't justify this: "that annabelle, i never, ever thought anyone would make me sympathise with that cunt bird, but she did "

i cannot believe for one second that they weren't fully briefed and told absolutely not to do that kind of thing, which is probably why birdy (that better, i prfer to call him cunt) got so angry

 

[Me76]

The previous series of the was the same format on BBC3 with privileged youngsters. It was just as interesting. One of the guys was all entrepreneurial and started out by saying that he didn't believe anyone couldn;t earn money if they really wanted to. He managed to get someone at a flower market to give him a load of roses and tried to sell them, but everywhere he went he got chased off by the police because he didn't have a license. It opened his eyes a bit.

Another guy was buddied up with this homeless bloke who lived in a tent in a park. He had loads of stuff there, including a record player IIRC and just got on with his life separate from society. While they were together he told the volunteer that he did want a job and would be willing to work and stuff, and when the volunteer went home, he got him set up with something and the homeless guy couldn;t hack it. He had lived his life in his own way for so long, that being in 'normal' society was too much for him.

I found both programmes interesting and I think they both highlighted the fact that the transition is the hardest thing for some people who have lived their lives on the streets or in and out of hostels etc for so long.

 

[_angel_]

I think that women are also housed (or at least put in somewhere for the short term) more quickly than men. The fact that they are a woman makes them more vulnerable IYSWIM.

Are they more likely to be housed, or more likely to take up and accept a hostel etc than some of the men because of better self-care skills?

Are there more places for women in hostels than men? Does anyone know?
(for single women without kids that is)

 

[tommers]

Are they more likely to be housed, or more likely to take up and accept a hostel etc than some of the men because of better self-care skills?

Are there more places for women in hostels than men? Does anyone know?
(for single women without kids that is)

Well, if a woman is sleeping rough on her own then she is already more vulnerable than a man on his own (all other things being equal). Outreach workers are basically assessing vulnerability.

There are hostels set up specifically for women... altho most are mixed.

Lots of people don't want to go into hostels, for whatever reason. I'm not sure self-care skills come into it.

 

[Dandred]

Why did that rich bitch always have her diamond ring on when she was being filmed?

 

[smokedout]

Lots of people don't want to go into hostels, for whatever reason. I'm not sure self-care skills come into it.

i was disappointed that they failed to show the reaility of hostel life, being kicked out at 9 am, being fed out of date donated food, languishing in rooms the size of a prison cell for years on end and being subject to constant and often petty rules under threat of immediate eviction

 

[denniseagle]

Why did'nt the prog makers just give some real actual homeless people covert cameras and let them show the awful reality of living on the streets,everything seems to come with spurious celebrity attached to it nowadays ffs

Coz it wouldn't make 'good tv dahling' no 'celebs' no publicity cmon it's obvious doncha know?

 

[kabbes]

No, as I already said, if they'd just given cameras to actual homeless people, the resulting programme wouldn't have worked.

 

[smokedout]

No, as I already said, if they'd just given cameras to actual homeless people, the resulting programme wouldn't have worked.

and theyd have nicked the cameras