Famous, Rich and Homeless 21:00

[foo]

that made me laugh, as did the clip from tommorrow when he gets home and is sobbing on his wife "i have seen things i never wanted to see" errr what did he think he was going to see that being homeless is like disney land

yeh i see what you're saying totally - but seeing the reality is still a shock, ime. i'd done volunteering, have worked with homeless youth, and have known plenty homeless people around town, but when i did a stint at Crisis last christmas, it really hit home. all of it, and how complicated the whole issue is, and how easy it can happen to someone/anyone.

one thing struck me, not for the first time, so so many homeless people are care leavers. fuckin still!

 

[Rollem]

that made me laugh, as did the clip from tommorrow when he gets home and is sobbing on his wife "i have seen things i never wanted to see" errr what did he think he was going to see that being homeless is like disney land

that's why i didnt find it funny, just annoying. he has clearly not read the flaming brief about what he signed his not so famous self up for when doing this 'experiement'. he probably thought he as gonna walk around all day then bed down at the hilton each night

this whole thing kind of grates, it will shock the celebs, will open their eyes to the reality of it all and they will clearly all remember the experience for a few months.....but nothing in their life will really change, why should it, they might sign themselves up to be an ambassador for shelter or work in a soup kitchen a couple of times or something, which aint all bad, but people will still be sleeping rough and suffering whilst they live in plenty. it sticks in my gullet a bit. i know it's all relative but i dont like these kind of 'experiements'

i dont think i should watch the next episdoe

 

[Blagsta]

Yeah, a big proportion of people we see have been in children's homes. Some have been on the streets since they were 13.

 

[kabbes]

Yeah, a big proportion of people we see have been in children's homes. Some have been on the streets since they were 13.

But being homeless is a free choice made by the idle who should pick themselves up and get a job. So why would there be any correspondance whatsoever between being homeless and being in care? Surely it should just be random!

 

[onenameshelley]

yeh i see what you're saying totally - but seeing the reality is still a shock, ime. i'd done volunteering, have worked with homeless youth, and have known plenty homeless people around town, but when i did a stint at Crisis last christmas, it really hit home. all of it, and how complicated the whole issue is, and how easy it can happen to someone/anyone.

one thing struck me, not for the first time, so so many homeless people are care leavers. fuckin still!

Yeah totally agree not saying his shock wasnt that surprising, i just was a bit about it.

I digress, but there is a homeless guy near my mums who is like an "old fashioned homeless person",he is awesome, nice and chatty bimbles about with his stuff in a pull along, sits on the grass verges to cook his tea and eats it off a china plate every night, i never know where he sleeps though? i really want to be his friend.

 

[foo]

another thing struck me at Crisis, apart from the care leaver thing - was that a large percentage of homeless adults seem to be men. is this true?

 

[DotCommunist]

so glad I didn't watch this program. I'd have shouted at the TV loads.

 

[kabbes]

That struck me on this programme too. Assuming that it starts out with a 50/50 split of vulnerable people, I don't like the implications of what might be happening to remove the women from the population.

 

[kabbes]

so glad I didn't watch this program. I'd have shouted at the TV loads.

No, it was actually very good I think. It did genuinely demonstrate the desperation of the situation. And these were people with internal personal resources to fall back on and who knew they were doing it for a limited time only.

 

[Blagsta]

another thing struck me at Crisis, apart from the care leaver thing - was that a large percentage of homeless adults seem to be men. is this true?

We certainly get more men than women into the service that I work at.

 

[foo]

Yeah, a big proportion of people we see have been in children's homes. Some have been on the streets since they were 13.

i don't think it's just about children's homes though. you're forgetting all those kids who are passed around to one foster carer after another. i know one girl who had 14 different foster families before she was 16. that's fucked up.

 

[foo]

That struck me on this programme too. Assuming that it starts out with a 50/50 split of vulnerable people, I don't like the implications of what might be happening to remove the women from the population.

well i can only say from what i learned from talking with some of the blokes, and it seems a lot of them went into a spiral after their marriage broke up.

 

[Blagsta]

i don't think it's just about children's homes though. you're forgetting all those kids who are passed around to one foster carer after another. i know one girl who had 14 different foster families before she was 16. that's fucked up.

Yeah, that too. I'm more and more convinced that poor attachment is the source of a lot of people's emotional difficulties as adults and that poor attachment is exarcebated by the competitive, atomised and indivdualist society we live in.

 

[foo]

Yeah, that too. I'm more and more convinced that poor attachment is the source of a lot of people's emotional difficulties as adults and that poor attachment is exarcebated by the competitive, atomised and indivdualist society we live in.

pardon?

 

[Rollem]

i don't think it's just about children's homes though. you're forgetting all those kids who are passed around to one foster carer after another. i know one girl who had 14 different foster families before she was 16. that's fucked up.

yeah, its the care system as a whole, even those on the 'vulnerble' lists are at greater risk of becomign homeless

 

[kabbes]

well i can only say from what i learned from talking with some of the blokes, and it seems a lot of them went into a spiral after their marriage broke up.

My worry is that this happens to women too, but the women are more vulnerable and either get trapped into a cycle of prostitution or, even more scarily, get raped and killed.

 

[Blagsta]

well i can only say from what i learned from talking with some of the blokes, and it seems a lot of them went into a spiral after their marriage broke up.

We see some people like this too. They tend to do better than the ones with awful childhoods.

 

[Blagsta]

pardon?

bad/no parenting = mental health problems in later life. Made worse by capitalism.

 

[kabbes]

Yeah, that too. I'm more and more convinced that poor attachment is the source of a lot of people's emotional difficulties as adults and that poor attachment is exarcebated by the competitive, atomised and indivdualist society we live in.

God, I really could not agree more.

And it's getting worse too, because it perpetuates itself.

 

[foo]

yeah, its the care system as a whole, even those on the 'vulnerble' lists are at greater risk of becomign homeless

yeh, imo the care system's totally fucked up. and even though there always seems to be such a focus on it, and money poured in to it (in my LA anyway), it's still totally shit. i think the 16+ teams needs to change dramatically cos imo, they are failing kids every single day.

 

[kabbes]

yeh, imo the care system's totally fucked up. and even though there always seems to be such a focus on it, and money poured in to it (in my LA anyway), it's still totally shit. i think the 16+ teams needs to change dramatically cos imo, they are failing kids every single day.

As true as this is, to a certain extent it's too late. Attachment problems are mostly created in the first few years of life, which is why you can have a child who apparently has a truly awful childhood that turns out OK -- their first few years were stable and loving -- and vice versa too.

 

[Blagsta]

As true as this is, to a certain extent it's too late. Attachment problems are mostly created in the first few years of life, which is why you can have a child who apparently has a truly awful childhood that turns out OK -- their first few years were stable and loving -- and vice versa too.

The clients I see who have had at least one good relationship as a child tend to do much better than the ones who haven't (I work at a drug service for homeless people btw).

 

[London_Calling]

Blagsta - could you characterise what you mean by 'attactment' in this context?

 

[kabbes]

Everything you would basically want to know about attachment.

 

[Blagsta]

Blagsta - could you characterise what you mean by 'attactment' in this context?

Attachment theory - see kabbes link

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I'm not sure what 'poor attachment' is exactly.

I'll go on this rant everytime a homeless thread comes along...

The vast majority of homeless people go completely unrecognised by the state and are rarely obviously homeless. I've noticed a huge increase in homeless people here in Spain since i started walking back in September.

It is shit seeing kids come straight out of care homes onto the streets. Something very wrong there. And, it does worry me that I see very few homeless women. The vast majority of homeless people I meet are men from early 30's upwards who have left a home and a wife and possibly children. Come away from divorce cases with nothing, or simply not even bothered trying to fight a case. Usually heartbroken and on a downward spiral. To a certain extent they have made their own choices and many learn to live happily without a fixed abode. But, the vast majority rely on alcohol to a large extent.

There are far to many stereotype homeless images that actually only apply to the minority of homeless people.

I'm continually perceived as being homeless (a drunk alcoholic). Posters here keep trying to tell me that I am actually a disillusioned drunk, homeless bum. For the sake of officialdom I live and pay rent in Granada. I don't really care what people think I am. I do care if posters accusations prove to be detrimental to the charities I'm raising money for.

Won't deny I play the image sometimes...

http://www.theolivepress.es/2009/06/16/the-artists-way/

Changed my image a bit since then. It's a very interesting life. You get to meet many homeless people from all sorts of backgrounds. Currently in Santander in a posh hotel resting my foot.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I haven't heard of a single one of them. Hardeep Singh Kohli? A comedian, you say? Sorry, new on me. Former tennis star Annabel Croft? Who? The actor Bruce Jones? Unnnhg? Rosie Boycott - was she something to do with the Indie? Not sure at all, though. And James Blandford, marquis of Bath. Presumably not the one with the wifelets - son? Nephew? No idea.

Real homeless people would have been much cheaper. Famous people mght have been more interesting.

I'm not glued to the telly but I know how Hardeep is (and loved his show about racism in britain). Who doesn't know Annabel Croft or Lord Blandford?

 

[foo]

As true as this is, to a certain extent it's too late. Attachment problems are mostly created in the first few years of life, which is why you can have a child who apparently has a truly awful childhood that turns out OK -- their first few years were stable and loving -- and vice versa too.

yeh i know but in reality we know there are always going to be kids who don't get all that - kids who are taken away/separated from their natural parents. and this is where i think the state/SS are failing really really badly. it's shocking imo.

 

[foo]

I'm not glued to the telly but I know how Hardeep is (and loved his show about racism in britain). Who doesn't know Annabel Croft or Lord Blandford?

um, me.

i have no idea who Annabel Croft is.

 

[Voley]

one thing struck me, not for the first time, so so many homeless people are care leavers. fuckin still!

That shocked me, too, when I worked with homeless folk. You're still classed as 'vulnerable' if you're a care leaver, aren't you? It used to be care leavers, people fleeing violence and certain institutionalised people jumped through that particular hoop immediately when applying for housing.