fake suicide bomber was a drug dealer?

[MikeMcc]

The fake bomber's being taken back to prison cos he was on bail. Surely a candidate here for 'most ill-advised attendance on a demo 2006'. And it's only february.

Not the brightest bulb was he! If you're going to pull a stunt that could get you sent back to prison it's best not to do one that gets your mug plastered on the world-wide news (never mind UK-wide)!

 

[jæd]

Given the very real risk of getting shot in the head, he must have been on something mind altering.

How would that be likely in the middle of London in a very publicised march being covered by tv cameras....?

 

[tbaldwin]

Is it fuck. 99.9% of people never have and never will meet an actual member of Hitzt-but-Tahir (spelling??), Al Muhjiroun or any of the tiny number of people who went on that protest in London. Many have never met a Muslim, and those that have it will usually be a workmate.

The numbers on the demo were probably about 0.1% of the number of muslims on the big anti-war demos. This tiny minority then gets front page coverage, questions in the house etc etc. The aim is to increase Islamophobia.

Well i'm Islamaphobic based on personal experience of how brainwashed kids are by some mosques to hate from the age of 5. Loads of people will have similar experiences of the hatred,intolerance and sexism indoctrinated into young muslims.
There is nothing wrong with being Islamaphobic, I dont want to see any religion grow and definetely hate the stupidity of people falling for the kind of shit preached by too many Islamic twats.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Thats rubbish rpm3. The Jews in the 30s didnt have any groups blowing up innocent people and were not so intolerant of western liberalism etc.
Both youand rebel warrior have swallowed the line that muslims are being persecuted discriminated against like the Jews once were but its not true.
Islamaphobia is not something just whipped up by the media, it's based on people's own experiences of living with intolerant islamists,who are extremely sexist and negative.

So I've got to tell my neighbours they are part of the "the Islamification menace "have I?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Tobyjug - given the fact that you've been caught blatantly telling porkies on the thread about Brian Paddick, don't you think it would be a good idea to rejoin the debate and refute some of your comments, since they've been proven to be an absolute load of codswallop?

Just an idea, like.

Sooner or later I'm going to get a bit tired of going round every thread on which tobyjug posts, and telling people not to disrupt it with shit that he's talked about on other threads.

 

[tobyjug]

How would that be likely in the middle of London in a very publicised march being covered by tv cameras....?

That would be just the place to do it given the perceived risk a suicide bomber poses to a crowd.

 

[pk]

Sooner or later I'm going to get a bit tired of going round every thread on which tobyjug posts, and telling people not to disrupt it with shit that he's talked about on other threads.

Yeah, but when he was facing a ban for not apologising for what he said about a certain poster ... it was well worth pointing out, I thought... I mean if he's going to talk crap he's surely going to be reminded of it, instead of running away as he usually does...

If he'd not switched off his ability to recieve PMs, then nobody would need to remind him he's abandoned yet another thread when it's been revealed he's once again talked crap.

 

[tbaldwin]

So I've got to tell my neighbours they are part of the "the Islamification menace "have I?

In a word NO. But maybe like me you know a lot of people who grew up in muslim families and can recognise that some of them were bought up to be tolerant human beings and some of them were bought up to be bigots.
Or maybe you just think all muslims are victims?

 

[Harold Hill]

Is it fuck. 99.9% of people never have and never will meet an actual member of Hitzt-but-Tahir (spelling??), Al Muhjiroun or any of the tiny number of people who went on that protest in London. Many have never met a Muslim, and those that have it will usually be a workmate.

The numbers on the demo were probably about 0.1% of the number of muslims on the big anti-war demos. This tiny minority then gets front page coverage, questions in the house etc etc. The aim is to increase Islamophobia.

the aim to is show British extremists.

 

[editor]

tobyjug: answer this post please instead of trying yo avoid it.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4164177&postcount=181

Your future here depends on it.

I'd now be grateful if other posters refrained from disrupting any more threads on the topic. Thanks.

 

[kasheem]

yes, the Moslems are not a race, they are many races which is why Griffin will probably get off with the charges. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny that politically Moslems are the new Jews, especially for the fascist.

Mr Griffin explains that "the only aim" of the strategy is to help destroy the Cameron-led Tories and "clear the political space for something better ... it would only take 400 individuals who care about saving Britain from partly Tory-created evils such as the EU and the Islamification menace to join those 200 at-risk constituency organisations, and the Conservative party can be killed off."

That's interesting... where did you get that quote from?

 

[jæd]

That would be just the place to do it given the perceived risk a suicide bomber poses to a crowd.

So... Do you think anyone thought he was actually a *real* sucide bomber...?

 

[Badger Kitten]

Demonstrating your right to free speech by publishing nasty little racist doodles? That aren't funny, but are just pointlessly offensive?

Then...protesting about offensive stereotypes by behaving like an offensive stereotype?

Demonstrating your fury about the key figure of Islam being represented as a murderous suicide bomber by...er... *dressing as a suicide bomber and calling for murder? And now it turns out that particular clown is a convicted drug dealer on licence from prison for selling cocaine and heroin. So clearly someone who has utterly failed to grasp any of the principles of Islam then. Idiot.


For God's sake. For pity's sake.

The right to protest and the right to free speech are bloody important: it is sickening to see both sides abusing these rights in this way, behaving like spiteful, selfish children. Especially now.

Why can't people pull themselves together?

The Religious Policeman is excellent on the subject. In fact I am going to give it its own thread.

 

[Harold Hill]

My opinion. If a secular Govt with majority Muslim population had championed free speech over the cartoons I might have understood the reaction in the Middle East and SE Asia. But not when it is thousands of miles away and the only reason they know about it is because of certain Danish muslims going out of their way to publicise the issue. Yes I'm sure many are genuinely offended but roles reversed, only one of Dubya lackies would have made such a stir had the same thing happened in Jordan.

I think once the European press had published them, there was significant public interest for the BBC to follow suit as 'Exhibit A' as it was a genuine news item in its own right rather than a free speech thing or a anti Islam thing.

 

[TremulousTetra]

That's interesting... where did you get that quote from?

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,11375,1674306,00.html

 

[Pigeon]

yes, the Moslems are not a race, they are many races which is why Griffin will probably get off with the charges. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny that politically Moslems are the new Jews, especially for the fascist.

Nice one! Trite simplifications are always handy at a time like this!

 

[Blagsta]

Well i'm Islamaphobic based on personal experience of how brainwashed kids are by some mosques to hate from the age of 5. Loads of people will have similar experiences of the hatred,intolerance and sexism indoctrinated into young muslims.
There is nothing wrong with being Islamaphobic, I dont want to see any religion grow and definetely hate the stupidity of people falling for the kind of shit preached by too many Islamic twats.

This is just as daft a position as Udo Erasmus et al. Perosonally, all the Muslims I've know have been really sound people. Polarising and simplifying the debate in this way is not helpful IMO.

 

[tobyjug]

So... Do you think anyone thought he was actually a *real* sucide bomber...?

He certainly looked like one in the pictues that have been shown on TV.

 

[leec1]

rebel warrior get back in your pram, so do you put bush and blair on the same footing as the nazi's?? wouldnt surprise me if you do

 

[jæd]

He certainly looked like one in the pictues that have been shown on TV.

So... Thats your justification for opening fire on an innocent man infront of a crowd and several tv cameras...? "He looks like a sucide bomber of the telly..."

Even the cops at Stockwell had better justifications...!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So... Thats your justification for opening fire on an innocent man infront of a crowd and several tv cameras...? "He looks like a sucide bomber of the telly..."

Even the cops at Stockwell had better justifications...!

actually it hink you'll find those were precisely their justifications....

 

[tobyjug]

Even the cops at Stockwell had better justifications...!

That is debateable.

 

[bluestreak]

That is debateable.

why not debate it then?

 

[tobyjug]

why not debate it then?

Sub judice at the moment isn't it?

 

[jæd]

actually it hink you'll find those were precisely their justifications....

Yep, but at least they staked out his aparment for a bit. Rather than thinking "Oh, look, there's someone who looks like they might have a bomb. Lets blow him away pronto..."

 

[bluestreak]

don't think so

 

[FruitandNut]

Give the guy a gratuity, a fat pension, freedom of the City of London and a medal - is that enough reward to satisfy the looney end of PC????

Oh, I forgot the knighhood or peerage.

 

[tbaldwin]

This is just as daft a position as Udo Erasmus et al. Perosonally, all the Muslims I've know have been really sound people. Polarising and simplifying the debate in this way is not helpful IMO.

Crikey how many muslims have you known?

Do you have kids that go to school with muslim kids who go the mosque every day?

Or do you know any women who have been out with muslims?



My eldest son at the age of 8 was constantly toldthat he was an infidel,a jew,a christian,a heathen by kids of his age at school?

Women i know have been very badly treated by muslim men?

And i also know some people who grew up in the faith who are more than OK but in my experience they are in the minority.

I am seriously interested to know how many people really do have only positive experiences of muslims?

 

[audiotech]

Crikey how many muslims have you known?

Do you have kids that go to school with muslim kids who go the mosque every day?

Or do you know any women who have been out with muslims?



My eldest son at the age of 8 was constantly toldthat he was an infidel,a jew,a christian,a heathen by kids of his age at school?

Women i know have been very badly treated by muslim men?

And i also know some people who grew up in the faith who are more than OK but in my experience they are in the minority.

I am seriously interested to know how many people really do have only positive experiences of muslims?

I was constantly being beaten by teachers in a C of E school I attended.
I have known women badly treated by men in general (raped, beaten and abused).
In the early 60's my best friends family (called Mohammed) welcomed me into their home.
His father had married a white woman.
He treated her fine.
A lot of the community around didn't (this 'mixed' marriage didn't go down well with the curtain twitchers and racists).

 

[Blagsta]

Crikey how many muslims have you known?

Do you have kids that go to school with muslim kids who go the mosque every day?

Or do you know any women who have been out with muslims?



My eldest son at the age of 8 was constantly toldthat he was an infidel,a jew,a christian,a heathen by kids of his age at school?

So kids are little bastards? Whats new?

Women i know have been very badly treated by muslim men?

I know plenty of women who've been treated very badly by atheist or Christian men. Again, whats new?

And i also know some people who grew up in the faith who are more than OK but in my experience they are in the minority.

I am seriously interested to know how many people really do have only positive experiences of muslims?

As I said - the Muslims I have known personally have been sound. Now I know thats a fairly limited sample of Muslims, but your points are absurd.