Failed Zimbabwean Asylum Seekers Going Nowhere Fast!

[tbaldwin]

why don't you try reading the odd history book and getting your facts straight, ignoramus?
1. The holocaust came about because of WW2, primarily. WW2 happened AFTER germany invaded an ally of ours, who we'd sworn to stand by, in treaties.
2. The vietnamese did NOT invade Cambodia on humanitarian grounds, but due to a longstanding historical emnity.
btw, tory-boy, do you still think it's possible for a political party to flourish with sod-all members?
and as an imperialist - which you have just shown yourself to be - when do you think we should invade the following countries - on enlightened historical grounds, of course; china, saudi, yemen, Qatar, UAE, bahrain, Uzbekistan, kazakstan, Turkmenistan, N Korea, burma...? well - which one and why, tory-boy?

The odd history book i read said something about Hitler not being very nice to the Jews before WW2.
Still as usual you seem to know best.
btw Im a Socialist not a Tory....

 

[Pigeon]

The odd history book i read said something about Hitler not being very nice to the Jews before WW2.

I heard about that. And I also heard that, as a result, loads of Jews ended up coming over here and taking our jobs.

But we digress: Zimbabweans in the UK- what options do they have following last week's ruling?

 

[tbaldwin]

I heard about that. And I also heard that, as a result, loads of Jews ended up coming over here and taking our jobs.

But we digress: Zimbabweans in the UK- what options do they have following last week's ruling?

Your a sad twat.

 

[Pigeon]

Your a sad twat.

Should I put you down as a a "don't know"?

 

[Pigeon]

Your a sad twat.

Should I put you down as a a "don't know"?

 

[Streathamite]

The odd history book i read said something about Hitler not being very nice to the Jews before WW2.
Still as usual you seem to know best.

compared to you, frankly, yes.
read my fucking post again

btw Im a Socialist not a Tory...

you are CERTAINLY nearer a tory than a socialist, for the same reason Blair is; you are quite happy to vote and cheerlead - uncritically - for a Nu labour party which is about 1 inch removed from a One Nation Tory govt. It'd be a surprise for anyone to find a significant philosophical diffrence betwen you and these boards' resident Tory councillor.
if you work at it, you may one day evolve into a Social Democrat - which is Blair+hunger for social justice

 

[tbaldwin]

compared to you, frankly, yes.
read my fucking post again, you thick bastard


you are CERTAINLY nearer a tory than a socialist, for the same reason Blair is; you are quite happy to vote and cheerlead - uncritically - for a Nu labour party which is about 1 inch removed from a One NationTory govt. It'd be a miracle for anyone to find a significant philosophical diffrence betwen you and these boards' resident Tory councillor.
if you work at it, and grow up, and acquire a brain, you may one day evolve into a Social Democrat

er so Tories they believe in a massive redistribution of wealth and power do they??????.... And everything was OK for the Jews in Germany before the allies ruined it all in the 30s???????????
And Blair as a Tory bought in a minimum wage and massivelly increased spending on Schools and Hospitals and you helped him did you?

 

[Pigeon]

Fascinating though it is to see the 2 millionth immigration-related thread becoming baldwinised, could we focus, just for once, on Zimbabwe?

 

[tbaldwin]

Fascinating though it is to see the 2 millionth immigration-related thread becoming baldwinised, could we focus, just for once, on Zimbabwe?

Is baldwinised a word?

 

[Pigeon]

Is baldwinised a word?

More a psychiatric disorder, I'd have thought.

 

[tbaldwin]

More a psychiatric disorder, I'd have thought.

I never did like Pigeons.Did we dear,no dear...

 

[Streathamite]

er so Tories they believe in a massive redistribution of wealth and power do they?

I hate to tell you this, but the net effect of 8 years of Blair has actually been a redistribution of wealth from the poorest third to the richest 10th. as has been proven exhaustively, by all independent studies. This govt is NOT a friend of the poor

??????.... And everything was OK for the Jews in Germany before the allies ruined it all in the 30s???????????

and I never said that - READ THE FUCKING POST AGAIN, FFS!

And Blair as a Tory bought in a minimum wage and massivelly increased spending on Schools and Hospitals

minimum wage official LP policy since early 80s at least - huge proportion of education and health budget increase gone on bureaucracy, private companies and consultants - and the vast majority of health and education professionals I've spoken to about this say 'little or no improvement'

and you helped him did you

I said - and you're on the wrong thread with this statement, btw, - that I helped them win elections.
which...
....when you stand in as agent...
...when you chair a ward...
...draft press releases...
...run door campaigns....
....organise photo-ops...
....organise meetings...
...generally muck in everywhere from millbank to Mitcham....
...you could, just possibly, conceivably be said to do.
christ to think I used to write press releases that you'd end up regurtgitating uncritically one day

 

[Pigeon]

I never did like Pigeons.Did we dear,no dear...

 

[TeeJay]

If there was a British miliary invasion it'd merely prove Mugabes point about Blairs imperialism, and the anti-war movements point about Blairs terrorism. Yes, there would be strong opposition, but it ain't going to happen because there is no oil.

Would you still call it "Imperialism" if Mugabe was removed by an African Union taskforce (eg South African and Nigerian troops)? (not that this is very likely)

 

[Idris2002]

It'd be more likely to be South Africa (even though they botched intervention in Lesotho a few years ago) and it would still be imperialistic, given that SA capital is moving into Africa big time, and bringing the post-apartheid state with it.

 

[Streathamite]

Would you still call it "Imperialism" if Mugabe was removed by an African Union taskforce (eg South African and Nigerian troops)? (not that this is very likely)

I wouldn't no; becuase you have to take into account the history of imperialism within africa; we stole the whole bloody continent.

 

[Idris2002]

Do marxists still use 'subimperialism' to describe states like Brazil or South Africa?

 

[TeeJay]

OK this is interesting.

...so what is "imperialism" then, and why is it for some people the worst thing you can say about a country's foreign policy?

Personally I don't see why any overseas military action is lablled 'imperialism' by some people, regardless of why it is happening and what it is seeking to achieve.

Is this linked in with using a marxist analysis for absolutely everything, including cats stuck up trees?

 

[Streathamite]

Do marxists still use 'subimperialism' to describe states like Brazil or South Africa?

dunno 'bout the rest of them, but I never did, out of deference to the beauty of the english language. horrible fucking term

 

[Streathamite]

OK this is interesting....

so what is "imperialism" then, and why is it for some people the worst thing you can say about a country's foreign policy?

oh come on, you must know;effectively taking over - de facto or de jure another previously sovereign nation or state or people, and effectively annulling their right to control their own affairs, and taking it on yourselves, for whatever reason

Personally I don't see why any overseas military action is lablled 'imperialism' by some people, regardless of why it is happening and what it is seeking to achieve.

neither do I, and I never said any or every military action overseas is imperialism. Iraq, however, I believe is, once you consider the US's dominant global role and the US & UK historical contexts

Is this linked in with using a marxist analysis for absolutely everything, including cats stuck up trees?

wtf? don't be fucking silly.

 

[ViolentPanda]

wtf? don't be fucking silly.

Don't you think you're asking rather a lot?

 

[dylanredefined]

So mugabe is free to continue being a corrupt evil ruler and no country can do anything about it as its imperialist ?

 

[Japey]

If there was a British miliary invasion it'd merely prove Mugabes point about Blairs imperialism, and the anti-war movements point about Blairs terrorism. Yes, there would be strong opposition, but it ain't going to happen because there is no oil.

You don't need to invade to get regime change. You can just fund the opposition and do covert actions etc.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So mugabe is free to continue being a corrupt evil ruler and no country can do anything about it as its imperialist ?

Nope, what's being said is that any intervention is unlikely to be done purely from altruistic motives, and that the main motivation will be gain, whether that be from the appropriation of resources, or purely the gaining of increased regional stability.