Fahrenheit 9/11 wins best movie at peoples choice
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spikey_r said:your modesty and wisdom set you aside from many others
I see no reason to ignore the fact that i've disscused it at lengh, and that is my conclution, than none so far, can successfuly deny.
You don't have a real constitution, you have a colection of laws/rules, that can be easily changed with a simple majority vote.
Deal with it.
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If cetain media outlets in the US and Europe are so dumb as to generalize that Americans are all flag waving patriots who can't wait to string up the liberals they can't be helped. Its like saying all Europeans are pacifist, secular dreamers whose only complaint is their loss of influence in the world.
Are you implying that the plump Mr Moore with his Michigan state spartan's hat is a left wing demagogue? I think you give him too much credit.
He does give a fuck. Like any national American politician, Mr Moore entered the high stakes game of fighting tooth and nail for his beliefs about where the US should head in the future. And he lost.
Maybe the problem is he never stated his beliefs, only criticism about everything Bush.
He woulf fit in on Urban 75.
nino_savatte
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pbman said:AS i've explaned to you before
We have differnt laws, you can lie all you want about public officles, and gov't policy.
Google around a bit.
But the fact remains that you keep accusing Moore of lying; if you hate it that much surely there are better things to do than sit there griping; but then that is all you have isn't it?
Don't lecture me on the nature of judicial relativism, I think you'll find that I'm streets ahead of you. What say you JC?
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pbman said:
What is an "american hating liberal" peebs? Your reply is likely to be along the lines of 'liberals hate America', but you won't be able to provide one shred of proof apart from some badly written piece by Coulter or some shite from Newsmax. Your proof please.
So I will tell you what it means: it is your way of demonising people whose views you don't agree with. Of course the phrase itself is a conceptually loaded metaphor: anyone who 'hates America' is wither working for a foregn power or working to destroy the country from within.
And you have the brass neck to come here and tell us that "McCarthyism is a liberal conspiracy" and that you've moved beyond the paranoia and redbaiting of the 1950's. The fact is, you haven't; if you don't have an enemy you invent one. It's not enough to have one enemy either, they have to be everywhere and, preferably, they should be Hollywood actors or academics. It helps to have a number of enemies - all of them constructed.
Do you ever get bored of this shit peebs?
nino_savatte
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mears said:
Afraid not, it's likely to be Jeb in 2008
Unless Frist is a fellow Rand cultist as I suspect he is.
nino_savatte
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mears said:
Bollocks - shite - toilet.
mears said:
Erm... If you're trying to do irony it's traditional to put a smiley in
I'm not sure what your dictionary defines a demagogue as, but I can't think of a more accurate use of the term than to describe Michael Moore.
And too much credit? I actually think demagogue is a pretty insulting term. I'm sure he'd prefer political commentator or some such.
But he's not a politician. So where are his high stakes? In the difference between Kerry and Bush? Bullshit.
function of being a demagogue not a politician.
kyser_soze
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Much as it kills me to agree with peebs on anything, he is right about the libel laws in the US and UK. People still sue for libel in the US, but unlike the UK the most they can expect back is a public written apology where the libel occured and legal costs, as opposewd to the UK where the libeller is potentially open to ruin (viz: Private Eye vs. Lord Salisbury, The Face vs. Jason Donavan) as the courts will also award punitive damages to the victim. Thus the libel laws in the UK serve to protect the rich rather than safeguard people's reputations (libel has to be a private prosecution and libel lawyers charge a fortune)
All this talk of Moore makes me hanker for Chris Morris to really do something to Bush, Cheney and co...now that would be PROPER satire.
All this talk of Moore makes me hanker for Chris Morris to really do something to Bush, Cheney and co...now that would be PROPER satire.
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Thats them, but they are not really elites, they just think they are.
Their is a vast difference between the two, its more like they are so ignorant that they think they are Intellectual elites, type of people.
Dumbass undergroud type liberals if you ever been their you know what i mean.
kyser_soze said:
Why does it pain you to agree on such a simple point, its not even a left/right thing, just the reality of the differences in our laws?
And if they truly only protect the rich, why don't you guys work for changing real procedural things like this? I'll grant that these are rather borning changes to fight for, but they ought to be winnable and a good way to get meaningfull change. Many around here seam to be several bridges too far, in what they fight for.
Intellectuals
nino_savatte
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pbman said:"America hating liberals" are a distinct subset, of liberals. If you don't know what i'm talking about, you do need to get out more.
No peebs, this is all part of the matrix of lies that have been provided for your benefit; of course you lack either the critical skills or the ability to think for yourself to understand this.
You have to have an 'enemy' within to hate; it is all part of the neo-con plan to hold onto power. But why am I telling you this? You are a neo con.
nino_savatte
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pbman said:
You hate anyone who is different to you and the differences are largely imagined.
nino_savatte said:
Who said i hated them?
I said they hated their country and clearly they do.
We have a few on the right as well,norwere near as many but we have them.
Its people who hate the flag and its display, and are willing to belive all the anti-american propganda, without any question, clealy they belive it cause they want it to be true.
I see no other possible explination.
So unless you have one that makes sense, your blatantly wrong.
nino_savatte
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pbman said:
These are not sufficient grounds to suggest that the people you call 'liberals' actually hate their country; it's rubbish and you imagine that they are America-haters.
If people don't like jingoistic displays of nationalism, their views should be considered. In this country you have to apply for a permit to fly the Union flag, people don't love their country any less for it either.
Why is it so important for you to continually remind yourself of your nationhood; are you so insecure with your own national identity that you simply have to do these things? That's a perfectly straightforward question too.
I am using the 'you' in a collective sense.
nino_savatte said:
Don't be silly.
Why would you think these commies love the us anymore than you do?
We don't do "nationalism" like you europeans do, so quit being silly. We are a colection of people from other nations, do try and keep up.
Cause the liberals no longer teach accuret Us history. And really as a goup they now so little that they fall victume to beliving much of their own bullshit........to may americans have sacrificed to much, for them to show such nieve disrespect. If they were fully informed i could respect them,( a bit) but as a group, they know so little.........
Thats fine i do the same, it saves typing time.
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I didn't say it was most of them.
It is the fringe.
I have several liberal friends (from church) and in no way does it apply to them. In the main they are politicaly nieve or almost even a-political, i've given up talking to them about politics long ago, as they know so little that its not possibel to discuse things with them. And the shocking part is one of them is a teacher with a masters degree.
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