Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
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isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Yeah, bloody people! Expecting large corporations to behave with integrity? Fuck that!
mauvais
on reddit or something
Previously on Waa, The Internet's Changed:
"I liked the bit where the internet appeared out of nothing really quickly, but I don't like it now, not now that it's very slightly different"
"I wish things would go back to an arbitrary point where I felt more comfortable with them for no discernible reason"
"In the future I will never wish we were back how we are today, until the point at which I accidentally do"
"I liked the bit where the internet appeared out of nothing really quickly, but I don't like it now, not now that it's very slightly different"
"I wish things would go back to an arbitrary point where I felt more comfortable with them for no discernible reason"
"In the future I will never wish we were back how we are today, until the point at which I accidentally do"
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Who on this thread has said anything remotely resembling what you are trying to suggest here?
mauvais
on reddit or something
What do you think the premise of all the moaning is, exactly?
The Facebook app continues to do what it used to do, except now it's split into two apps.
Oh, and it has microphone permission because it does VoIP calls, and all the other permissions can be explained, but let's not trouble ourselves with fact.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
All what moaning?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
They have a product. It comes with a set of rules. It is free. You don't have to use it if you don't want to.
Where in any of that is there a problem
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Turn your internet connection on without asking, the better I suppose to send all the stuff it has secretly recorded and photographed back to CIA, sorry, Facebook HQ?
I've stopped using my smartphone. There was no way in hell I was gonna install this app and the icon constantly telling me I had facebook messages I wasn't allowed to read was really annoying so I've just gone back to my old flip phone that doesn't have any facebook anything on it.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
They have a product. It comes with a set of rules. It is free. You don't have to use it if you don't want to.
Where in any of that is there a problem
It's clearly part of their grand plan to reach a point of saturation whereby lots of people have no choice but to use facebook it if they want to communicate with others, particularly if they ever do anything that needs online promotion, and only then to introduce some mandatory new thing that is allowed more access to your private life than you'd allow your own mother. My partner isn't allowed to go through my texts, check my call logs, record stuff that I do without telling me about it, why should I let Zuckerberg and pals do those things? I'm lucky enough not to need facebook that badly, plenty of other people are not.
And facebook is not free, oh no sir. You pay for it by giving away information, information that is sold for cash money.
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SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
And yes I'm sure all this is a very clever strategy and until facebook starts putting guns to people's heads and forcing them to accept the t&c's it's all perfectly legal. Doesn't make it right.
Zuckerberg is basically a real-life Milo Minderbinder.
Zuckerberg is basically a real-life Milo Minderbinder.
The CIA could not give a single fuck about you, me or anyone else on this board.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
No, I'm sure the biggest market for the data facebook is hoovering up is marketing people and private industry. Its value comes from sheer scale, rather than its pertinance to any particular individual. But facebook have shown that they're equally happy to hand stuff on specific individuals and groups to state agencies as they are to sell big slabs of metadata. And myself and plenty of other people on this board know only too well the lengths the state will go to get information about them and the groups they work with.
Don't get me wrong, I know I'm not really worth four seconds of the government or the security services' time. The trouble is that they don't know that.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
Deleted both apps from ipad, not to do with secrecy but burning through my data allowance lightening fast!
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
If "the point" was a cow's arse, your comment here is a banjo failing to hit it.
Well, not really. If someone refers to Facebook privacy concerns and specifically FB's relationship with intelligence agencies, then its not too unreasonable to question why they think the old 3 letter brigade would take any interest in them whatsoever. SF highlighted a number of other concerns, which I don't share but would concede are valid, but why mention the CIA at all? It's pretty common knowledge that any and every large website, especially those based in the US, will comply with virtually any and all law enforcement and intelligence requests for info on users, anyway.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
I'm looking forward to the Facebook riots.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Factual point: whoever mentioned the CIA, it wasn't me. But the point remains. You seem to be saying, that because the internet gives "The Man" increased powers to spy on you, you might as well accept it without demur. That's like saying, "Genocide of Jews, don't you know it's the 30s, man?"
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
did you really just compare privacy on facebook to the fucking Nazi holocaust? Have some fucking respect.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Clearly not. I was juxtaposing j-o-a's imo casual acceptance of facebook's intrusion into its users' lives with the popular image of the post-war (and widely acknowledged) casual abnegation of personal responsibility in Nazi atrocities under the "excuse" of "following orders".
It was a deliberately extreme rhetorical example. Too extreme for you, obviously. For which I apologise.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
to compare something with another as an effective rhetorical device, they need to be broadly similar. otherwise i could say "you denying me of my lunchbreak is like slavery" and thereby lose any credibility I had in the argument through my hyperbole.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
amyway - Godwin's law means you lose the argument.
Spanglechick is right, the two statements just dont stand up to comparison. And the CIA thing was quoted by me in my post you initially responded to.
Anyway, let's not argue. Not worth getting worked up about.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
I think the lesson is: don't post on Saturday night when you've been on the sauce. 
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Well I guess if it can access the internet without asking you then that's not gonna help you control your data usage.
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
It's really creepy how this thread won't let me unsubscribe 
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