Fabian Society - Conspiracy or Truth?

[tim]

Anyway, OrdinaryVoice what have you got against H. G. Wells? He was a Fabian and a eugenicist too. Maybe Wells was too working class for you. Are you only interested in posh folks like the Webbs and Shaw OrdinaryVoice?

 

[Dom Traynor]

Well that was some rabbit hole, looking for some answers. The Fabian Society, according to ChatGPT 40% to 60% of Labour MP's are Fabian members. I don't know how true that is, but when you look at the society's founding roots, It's a little concerning. Here are some views expressed by the Fabian founders themselves, it's clear this is a class based society looking down on us as entirely inferior.

Sidney Webb (1907, Fabian Tract “Eugenics and the Poor Law”)​

• “What is the sense of allowing the diseased, the feeble-minded, and the criminal to propagate the race? The stupid and unfit are more likely than not to be those least capable of making provision for their children. Yet these classes are breeding the fastest.”

Beatrice Webb (diary entry, c. 1910s)​

• “We must see to it that the state, in its guardianship of the race, is not subsidising the parenthood of the physically and mentally defective.”

George Bernard Shaw (Fabian lecture, 1910)​

• “The only fundamental and possible socialism is the socialisation of the selective breeding of man. You must eliminate the multiplication of the unfit just as you would refuse to breed from a defective stock of cattle.”

Their mission statement (ChatGPT)
"The Fabian Society, founded in 1884, set out to infiltrate and gradually reshape Britain by “permeating” its institutions with socialist ideas rather than using revolution. Its founders believed an educated elite should guide the nation, embedding state planning, welfare, and education reforms from the top down. Their intent was patient, strategic change: capture law, politics, and administration step by step until society was remade along technocratic socialist lines."

No matter how you spin it, there's no denying it isn't a good look in the context of obvert classism considering us all as cattle or a sickness.

I'd be open to accept that none of this is relevant anymore in todays world. That the times have moved on. The Fabian society went through some kind internal "progressive" reformation that they no longer see us all as sub-human.

But the I see the early emblem. A wolf in sheep skin. It's not even cool, its a pathetic attempt to demonstrate cunningness but they're that incompetent they out themselves. And that gets me thinking. Our governments that dumb. They have been for a long time. Totally incompetent, the kind of incompetence you only get from generational classist privilege from the likes of the Fabian founders.

When you think about it, what are the odds it isn't a continuation of the institutional classism that existed in the early 1900's. How would it not be when their disdain and contempt for us is so obvert?

Maybe I'm wrong, anyone know any more?

Why dont you google their website and read it and glance through a few publications yourself?

 

[Serge Forward]

Don't think you'll find many Fabian Society supporters here cos they're a bunch of wankers. That aside, this thread is fucking weird.

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

Strong disposition to confrontation round here, exactly what the classist bastards want

 

[RD2003]

Strong disposition to confrontation round here, exactly what the classist bastards want

You want everybody to unite around something then? What should it be?

 

[Ax^]

Strong disposition to confrontation round here,

oh no it isn't

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

You want everybody to unite around something then? What should it be?

Anti-Classist

 

[Rob Ray]

Does anyone actually believe in classism here?

Class as the mechanism defining all our lives, yes. "Classism" as analogous to and treated like racism in ways largely divorced from the economic structure underpinning it is more of a liberal's concept.

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

Class as the mechanism defining all our lives, yes. "Classism" as analogous to and treated like racism in ways largely divorced from the economic structure underpinning it is more of a liberal's concept.

Classism is considering someone lesser human based on their social status

 

[tim]

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Strong disposition to confrontation round here, exactly what the classist bastards want

If you don't want confrontation why are you here?

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

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If you don't want conforontation why are you here?

Are you not against the ruling classes?

 

[Rob Ray]

Classism is considering someone lesser human based on their social status

Yes I know what liberals think it is. How is that social status defined.

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

How is that social status defined.

From a position of elite privilege, one I wasn't born into so wouldn't know - We're like ants, inconsequential

 

[Rob Ray]

From a position of elite privilege, one I wasn't born into so wouldn't know - We're like ants, inconsequential

Class is not defined by social judgment, though social judgment can certainly arise from class, and does. It is defined by your relationship to the means of production.

 

[Serge Forward]

Anti-Classist

What's your definition of class and what constitutes each class? And what do you mean by classism? Tell us and I might have a go at answering.

 

[RD2003]

Anti-Classist

What would this involve?

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

Class is not defined by social judgment, though social judgment can certainly arise from class, and does. It is defined by your relationship to the means of production.

Class is defined by social judgment from the perspective of an elite born into political privilege, that's exactly how they see society, it's baked into their psyche. Regardless of what we label it, that phenomena is still happening in todays political class

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

What's your definition of class and what constitutes each class? And what do you mean by classism? Tell us and I might have a go at answering.

Class is defined by social judgment from the perspective of an elite born into political privilege, that's exactly how they see society, it's baked into their psyche. Regardless of what we label it, that phenomena is still happening in todays political class

 

[Dystopiary]

If you don't want conforontation why are you here?

Trolling.

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

What would this involve?

Recognising classism as an issue in the political class which is effecting us all

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

The elite don't give a shit about us I'm surprised people defend them

 

[Rob Ray]

Class is defined by social judgment from the perspective of an elite born into political privilege, that's exactly how they see society, it's baked into their psyche. Regardless of what we label it, that phenomena is still happening in todays political class

That's just whining about posh people being dicks. Some are, some aren't. Posh people often complain about "classism" against them in precisely the opposite direction. Class is about whether you are exploiting capital or exploited by it, and what material interests are driving your actions. This is an important distinction, because a class enemy can be perfectly civil and unjudgmental about hanging out with working class people while still being a class enemy.

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

That's just whining about posh people being dicks. Some are, some aren't. Class is about whether you are exploiting capital or exploited by it.

So my argument is the people doing the exploiting are classist - as in they see those they are exploiting as less than. To be exploited. Disdain and contempt really hit it on the head for me describing classist views

 

[RD2003]

The elite don't give a shit about us I'm surprised people defend them

Nobody here has. But you haven't defined the elite. The Fabians may be full of twats, but they're not the elite. Nor have most of them been exploiters of labour.

 

[Rob Ray]

So my argument is the people doing the exploiting are classist - as in they see those they are exploiting as less than. To be exploited. Disdain and contempt really hit it on the head for me describing classist views

They are not exploiting you because of prejudice though, that is a side effect. In fact most of them will never think about you one way or the other. They are exploiting you because it is in their material interests to do so. You're a name and an outgoing cost in a ledger.

 

[tonysingh]

From a position of elite privilege, one I wasn't born into so wouldn't know - We're like ants, inconsequential

No, 'we' are not. Stop chatting pure shite.

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

They are not exploiting you because of prejudice though, that is a side effect. They are exploiting you because it is in their material interests to do so.

There is a sect within the ruling class that has for generations been born into political inheritance and privilege, its well documented, classism in the way I describe undeniably existed in those families and its been passed down because it hasn't been resolved. This isn't a radical idea, history and context matter in everything

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

No, 'we' are not. Stop chatting pure shite.

Do you not see the government not giving a fuck about you?

 

[RD2003]

Do you not see the government not giving a fuck about you?

You can read thread after thread on here discussing how the current and previous governments don't give a fuck about most of us. What gives you the idea that nobody here sees it?

 

[OrdinaryVoice]

You can read thread after thread on here dealing with the current and previous governments not giving a fuck about most of us. What gives you the idea that nobody here sees it?

People don't realise the disdain their own government can have for them, and they won't label it classist when you tell them. Where does the governments lack of compassion come from?