F1 vs Nascar - The most entertaining?

[GarfieldLeChat]

Try this one for size.

I was at the race and saw it on one of the big screens around the track.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow3rxq7U1mA

intrestingly mercedes hadn't raced at lemans since the 1955's when their car did the same, that's the engine going through the crowd....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FXtb5eDUuQw

the flipped merc in Bakunins video they knew it was likely the car would do that and IMHO they should never have been allowed to take the car on the track...

 

[Bungle73]

Anyone remember this massive F1 crash (the biggest in its history) at Spa in 1998?



It's the same race where MS crashed in to the back of DC and proceded to race to the pits on three wheels, stormed to DC's garage and accused him of trying to kill him.

 

[Grobelaar]

intrestingly mercedes hadn't raced at lemans since the 1955's when their car did the same, that's the engine going through the crowd....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FXtb5eDUuQw

the flipped merc in Bakunins video they knew it was likely the car would do that and IMHO they should never have been allowed to take the car on the track...

I saw that live, alas only on the tv though (the joys of being unemployed at the time). Great machine from Mercedes, shame they made a plane instead of a car.

 

[Detroit City]

Anyone remember this massive F1 crash (the biggest in its history) at Spa in 1998?

what was the crash a long time ago where the tires/wheels flew into the crowd and killed like 5 or 6 people?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

what was the crash a long time ago where the tires/wheels flew into the crowd and killed like 5 or 6 people?

no you dullard that's the one from lemans i posted...

and it was the engine...

they are tlaking about this one...

 

[isitme]

I have found F1 to be sort of fun if nothing else is on this year. I completely lost interest after Senna died, well before Senna died but Senna and Prost were fun drivers to watch cos they were like flair players and Schumacher completely killed it

Never watched NASCAR cos it's on payTV and am I fuck paying for it

 

[pk]

no you dullard that's the one from lemans i posted...

and it was the engine...

they are tlaking about this one...

He was merely asking a question.
Read his post properly.

Anyone see George's car doing somersaults in lap one of race 3 of the BTCC on Sunday?
I was not far from that barrier.
He was lucky to have walked away from that. I'll see if I can find a clip...

 

[Roadkill]

Anyone see George's car doing somersaults in lap one of race 3 of the BTCC on Sunday?
I was not far from that barrier.
He was lucky to have walked away from that. I'll see if I can find a clip...

Nope, but I do remember this, from the BTCC in 1992, when Keith Odor cleared the barriers in his Nissan:



I wans't there then, but I was when Gabriele Tarquini put the Alfa into the same gravel trap a couple of years later, albeit not nearly as spectacularly.

Keith Odor was killed in a racing accident in Germany in 1995. He was a good driver. RIP

 

[Bakunin]

Try this for a fast lap.

Here's the late and much lamented Stefan Bellof lapping the Nordschleife in the frankly frightening time of 6 minutes and 11 seconds. Anyone that could lap the Ring at that speed must have had balls like watermelons IMHO.

 

[pk]

Anyone want to see a Lambo Diablo GT doing the best circuits in the Euro Union/UK?
All good incar footage, racing Gounon...

Watch this space!

This needs a thread of its own!

 

[Roadkill]

If we're talking in-car footage... , one of the fastest and most spectacular rally drivers ever, in a Group B Manta on the 1983 Manx Rally, complete with near miss at very high speed!

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I think this is my favourite bit of in-car footage ever, also from the Manx, but this time with the late, much-missed Bertie Fisher in 1993. The sheer speed is staggering. You have to question the guy's sanity, though: 140mph down roads barely wider than the car when he was already having problems with the brakes - which is why the clip (and his rally) ends in a ditch.

 

[pk]

This is the John George accident at Brands last Sunday.

Some crazy stuff. Saw lots of kids walking away with bits of red bumper as souvenirs later on though.



This is the Lambo incar footage - Lee Cunningham racing Jean-Marc Gounon at the lethal Enna circuit in Sicily.

This is partly taken from a film I worked on in 2003. Re-cut for Youtube.

 

[DownwardDog]

If we're talking in-car footage... , one of the fastest and most spectacular rally drivers ever, in a Group B Manta on the 1983 Manx Rally, complete with near miss at very high speed!

That's a superb clip. The co-driver's reaction at 1m40s is the stuff of legends.

 

[Ich bin ein Mod]

When its good, F1 pisses over most other motorsports. Sadly, the number of times F1 is good has dropped to a criminally low amount.

NASCAR never really caught my excitement, constant overtaking soon becomes even more boring to watch than rare overtaking.

 

[Bakunin]

Here's another clip of Ari Vatenan, this time attempting to climb the distinctly dangerous road at Pike's Peak in the USA.

Note the prevalence of large (and rather lethal looking) obstacles like rock faces, clumps of trees and steep drops when considering just how blisteringly fast Vatenan is driving.

 

[Roadkill]

I've seen that before. Vatanen's a legend, even if he is a right-wing Christian MEP these days! That Peugeot is a bit of an animal as well, to say the least. For historical interest, there's a short in-car clip of Timo Salonen, Vatanen's team-mate at Peugeot and 1985 World Rally Champion, in the 205T16. It rather underlines how difficult the Group B cars were to handle, and how exhausting they must have been to drive on long events. Vatanen, incidentally, once remarked that Salonen was probably the best driver of all of them because he was amongst the fastest despite being a few stone overweight, wearing think glasses and smoking like a chimney!

Meanwhile, another legend in action: slinging a Subaru Legacy around some snowy Swedish forests in the early '90s. RIP Colin.

 

[Bakunin]

I've seen that before. Vatanen's a legend, even if he is a right-wing Christian MEP these days! That Peugeot is a bit of an animal as well, to say the least. For historical interest, there's a short in-car clip of Timo Salonen, Vatanen's team-mate at Peugeot and 1985 World Rally Champion, in the 205T16. It rather underlines how difficult the Group B cars were to handle, and how exhausting they must have been to drive on long events. Vatanen, incidentally, once remarked that Salonen was probably the best driver of all of them because he was amongst the fastest despite being a few stone overweight, wearing think glasses and smoking like a chimney!

Meanwhile, another legend in action: slinging a Subaru Legacy around some snowy Swedish forests in the early '90s. RIP Colin.

I saw Colin McRae race a Ferrari 355 at the Le Mans 24 Hours last year. It was his first major circuit race and he got a class win out of it. Very impressive driving for a Le Mans rookie.

RIP Colin. You're much missed, mate.

 

[pk]

Yup, seconded.

RIP Colin.

 

[Roadkill]

The end of the , the event on which he clinched the world championship, having made up more than two minutes on no less a driver than Carlos Sainz, after a puncture. I was a marshal at Rother Valley, on the first day. It's one of those events I'm faintly proud to say I was part of. The atmosphere was awesome!

 

[g force]

McRae and Bellof were both amazing talents. Bellof would have been a superstar if he'd carried on racing - his skill was something else. Another was Greg Moore who rumour had it was being courted by McLaren..had it not been for his fatal crash I think we would have seen a US F1 champ.

I've always preferred Tourers and Rally to F1...less egos flying about.

 

[kyser_soze]

F1 over NASCAR anyday, but for overtaking fun it's BTCC/DTM or going to 2 wheels in Moto GP...like a bit of WRC too...hell, if it's got wheels and goes fast I'll watch it...

 

[Roadkill]

Moto GP can be good racing, but IMVHO the main attraction is James Toseland.

 

[aylee]

Do any of the Nascar races take place on tracks that aren't ovals?

I'll agree that the overtaking etc is exciting but half the time the victor seems to be the person who was in the right place at the right time when the final safety car leaves the track.

Oval racing is pretty tedious on the whole, in my opinion.

 

[Roadkill]

Oval racing is pretty tedious on the whole, in my opinion.

Normally I'd agree, but...

 

[Red Faction]

todays f1 was AWESOME

 

[Bakunin]

Moto GP can be good racing, but IMVHO the main attraction is James Toseland.

Speaking of maniacs on two wheels, here's an unnamed looney doing his best to wipe himself out around the dreaded Nordschleife.

http://kapitalmototv.co.uk/play-160-0.html

Remind me never to accept a lift from this man.