F1 2019

Discussion in 'general sports' started by 1%er, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. MrCurry

    MrCurry Updated Recipe!

    Well, you got that right! My head was spinning as fast as the cars, because every time I thought I knew what was happening, something else was taking place to mix the order up. A race to be watched and re-watched a few times and a good candidate for a “re-edit” release, as I’m sure there was a great deal of action happening which missed the live edit due to the director being spoiled for choice. If the FOM TV folks had a second try, they could surely show more of the action and reduce the number of pointless “crowd reaction” shots.

    I was sad to see the Hulk spin off, but he wasn’t alone in making that error in that corner. Merc’s strategy team once again calling things completely wrong. How do some people stay in a job?
     
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  2. spitfire

    spitfire Toast

    Holy shitballs! Mental, just watched the highlights on C4.

    Lewis was very chilled out in his interview that I saw considering the utter balls up that pit stop and strategy was.

    Good to see some fresh faces on the podium.
     
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  3. Robert Kubica got a point it seems, after the Alfa-Romeos got demoted. Yay
     
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  4. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

  5. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Lewis scored points in thje German GP
    Lewis Hamilton has been promoted to ninth and gains two points in the German GP after both Alfa Romeo drivers were handed 30-second time penalties. The stewards' Sunday evening verdict means Hamilton, who had finished 11th after an error-strewn race, increases his title lead over Valtteri Bottas, who crashed out, to 41 points. Williams also finally gain their first point of a hitherto miserable 2019 with Robert Kubica classified 10th - giving the Pole his first F1 point since 2010 and his return to F1 after major injury.

    Alfa drivers Kimi Raikkonen and Antonio Giovinazzi had finished seventh and eighth respectively in the mad-cap Hockenheim race but the team fell foul of F1's rules concerning 'driver aids' before the start of races. With the pair dropping out of the points altogether, Haas drivers Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen take over seventh and eighth places respectively. Alfa Romeo fall back behind Racing Point and Haas to ninth in the Constructors Championship after losing what was a 10-point haul at Hockenheim.

    This is the FIA official result;
    Pos Driver Team Gap Stops
    1 Max Verstappen Red Bull 64 laps - 1:44:31.275s 5
    2 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari + 7.333s 5
    3 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso + 8.305s 4
    4 Lance Stroll Racing Point + 8.966s 5
    5 Carlos Sainz McLaren + 9.583s 3
    6 Alexander Albon Toro Rosso + 10.052s 4
    7 Romain Grosjean Haas + 16.838s 5
    8 Kevin Magnussen Haas + 18.765s 6
    9 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes + 19.667s 6
    10 Robert Kubica Williams + 24.987s 5
    11 George Russell Williams + 26.404s 5
    12 Kimi Räikkönen * Alfa Romeo + 42.214s 4
    13 Antonio Giovinazzi * Alfa Romeo + 43.849s 4
    14 Pierre Gasly Red Bull DNF 4
    15 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes DNF 4
    16 Nico Hülkenberg Renault DNF 3
    17 Charles Leclerc Ferrari DNF 3
    18 Lando Norris McLaren DNF 2
    19 Daniel Ricciardo Renault DNF 1
    20 Sergio Pérez Racing Point DNF 0

    Red Bull break pit-stop record again
    Red Bull’s pit crew lowered the record at the preceding event in Britain when Pierre Gasly was serviced in just 1.91s, 0.01s faster than the previous best time. DHL revealed on Monday morning that Red Bull was judged to have turned around Max Verstappen in 1.88s when he switched from Intermediates to Softs on lap 46 at Hockenheim. Two of Verstappen’s other four stops were also among the quickest of the grand prix, having been serviced in 2.04s on lap 25, when he took on Mediums, and 2.11s on lap 41, when he returned to Intermediates.

    Williams produced the second-fastest stop of the grand prix as it serviced Robert Kubica in just 1.99s, the only other sub two-second pit stop in the race. Between the two respective groups of mechanics Red Bull and Williams have been responsible for the fastest 10 pit stops undertaken in 2019.

    Lewis wasn't well it appears
    After qualifying on Saturday, the world champion revealed that having been taken ill on Friday evening, Mercedes had begun preparations to replace him, most likely with Esteban Ocon, for the remainder of the weekend. While the Briton soldiered on and took pole, in the wake of yesterday's disastrous race, described by some as his worst-ever performance, he has opted to rest ahead of next weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix.

    "I've cancelled everything I have for the next few days," he told reporters, "so I'm going home probably just to sleep the next few days and try and get over this bug. “It's not really improving massively," he added, "but hopefully over the next couple of days it will. I don't think being in the car is any good and health is so important so I'll just try and make sure I'm as healthy as I can be for the next race”.

    Mercedes will not save German GP

    When Hockenheim also looked doomed a year ago, the German carmaker and multiple reigning championship winner stepped in with key sponsorship that was impossible to not notice at the 2019 race. Mercedes naming sponsor advertising was all over the circuit, and the team used a special livery and wore vintage clothing to mark 125 years in motor racing. But Hockenheim now looks set to be left off the 2020 schedule.

    Can’t Mercedes step in again? “For this one we tried to help as best as we could,” team boss Toto Wolff told Speed Week. “The agreement we made last year was quite spontaneous, but we are unable to go on and on. I also believe that we should not interfere in the business side of Formula 1 and Liberty Media,” he added. “It’s up to them to decide where we go and where we do not.”
     
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  6. MrCurry

    MrCurry Updated Recipe!

    I don’t see the case for this being Lewis’s worst ever performance. Apart from sliding off at the same place as many others did, what did he do wrong? His performance was ahead of his team mate all race, after all.
     
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  7. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Just goes to show the high standards he is held to these days. But I remember when he got stuck in the gravel in the pit lane entrance in 2007, and the general impression that he sometimes lost his cool earlier in his F1 career. These days Vettel is more likely to remind me of the immature Hamilton than Hamilton is!
     
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  8. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Hamilton blocks "Drive to survive"
    Lewis Hamilton says he won’t allow Netflix to use footage of him at the German GP for their Drive to Survive series due to him being ill. Mercedes agreed to be part of season two of the hit series, but may have felt like not bothering at all after a disastrous German Grand Prix. After ensuring a complete blackout of the Netflix cameras filming “behind-the-scenes” in 2018, Mercedes allowed the company access for one race this season and they chose the German GP where Mercedes were celebrating 125 years of motorsport at their home event.

    Lewis was sick all weekend has said "I don’t think it was a distraction at all, I think they were really great, I probably won’t be in it much as I was sick the whole time and I won’t allow them to release me being sick probably so I won’t even be in it”. Although footage of Hamilton may never be seen, Wolff insists they have plenty more content to work with “We have given the Netflix guys more content than on any other weekend, I believe that one of the core strengths of our team is the way we handle defeat, We accept responsibility for mistakes so we can learn and improve and we will come back stronger from this” Wolff said.

    Renault truck crash on the way to Budapest
    The Renault Formula 1 team says its preparations for the Hungarian Grand Prix have “not been affected” by a road accident involving one of its team trucks. On Monday the French manufacturer confirmed a truck had been involved in a motorway crash while travelling to Budapest for this weekend’s race, with the driver escaping serious injuries. The team provided an update this morning and said the driver has now been released from hospital to return home. Renault also confirmed that none of the goods inside the truck where damaged in the incident.

    “The driver of the Renault F1 Team truck involved in a road traffic accident in Hungary on Monday continues to make good progress and has returned home,” a team statement read. “The goods being transported were not damaged and the team’s preparations for the Hungarian Grand Prix this weekend have not been affected. We look forward to getting the weekend underway”.

    The silly season
    I think the silly season will revolve around Valtteri Bottas, Pierre Gasly and Nico Hulkenberg, there are also a number of story's about Alfa Romeo that may come out over the summer, but we will have to wait and see ;)
     
  9. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    All the twos 22
    There are reports that Liberty Media have approached the teams to ask if they would accept a 22 race calendar for 2020. The reason is that the Catalan government has said it will stump up the money to guarantee the celebration of the 30th consecutive edition of this event at the Barcelona Catalunya circuit. Barcelona was out of contract after this year's race and considered one of those most at risk of dropping off the schedule, along with Germany and Mexico, but F1 wants to keep Mexico on the calendar as it is the only race in central America and is also one of the best attended events of the season. If both Hanoi and the Netherlands get their circuits ready in time and Spain keeps a place there would be 22 races for sure (unless Mexico cannot sort out a deal).

    The biggest stumbling block for the smaller teams would be the number of power-units. Currently they can run 3 for the season and an extra race would make them a small amount of extra money, but if they had to buy an extra power-unit I believe they would not make any money and the extra race would cost them money in fact.

    I'm sure this conversation will be had over this weekend, so we are sure to learn more then.

    Hungaroring news
    As Bottas toured the Hungaroring for the first time, Mercedes reported that misfires had occurred in his W10. Bottas was immediately called back to the pits to have his engine changed, missing a chunk of time in FP1, although drizzle meant most teams were limited. Mercedes confirmed that the new engine fitted has been used previously this season, meaning Bottas will not serve penalties as a result of the switch.

    FP1 times
    Driver Team Time Gap Pits

    1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:17.233 0
    2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:17.398 0.165 0
    3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:17.399 0.166 0
    4 Pierre Gasly Red Bull 1:17.682 0.449 0
    5 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:17.942 0.709 0
    6 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:18.188 0.955 0
    7 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1:18.417 1.184 0
    8 Lando Norris McLaren 1:18.531 1.298 0
    9 Carlos Sainz McLaren 1:18.702 1.469 0
    10 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 1:18.787 1.554 0
    11 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 1:18.894 1.661 0
    12 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:18.973 1.740 0
    13 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:18.982 1.749 0
    14 Alex Albon Toro Rosso 1:19.223 1.990 0
    15 Sergio Perez Racing Point 1:19.325 2.092 0
    16 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 1:19.488 2.255 0
    17 George Russell Williams 1:19.649 2.416 0
    18 Lance Stroll Racing Point 1:19.722 2.489 0
    19 Robert Kubica Williams 1:20.322 3.089 0
    20 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0

    Ricciardo lodges defence documents with the high court

    Ricciardo emphatically denies any agreement breach and his formal defence has been lodged with London's High Court, it dismisses multiple elements of the alleged entitlement. The defence for Ricciardo and Whitedunes, the company he owns that handles his commercial interests, adds that Beavis only asserted his entitlement to a 20% commission once Ricciardo had informed him he wished to end their agreement last December. It also argues that the £10m+ sum is "expressly contradicted by a number of emailed exchanges" before and after establishing the most recent agreement between the parties in mid-2015.

    In a 16-page document, the defence makes 41 references to elements of Beavis's claim being "denied" and three references to "vague and embarrassing particulars", twice regarding unspecified "instructions" from Whitedunes and once in response to the claim Beavis introduced "numerous deals" that were either denied or did not materialise. The only admittance of a 20% commission relates to Ricciardo indicating in principle he would be willing to pay that regarding sponsorship and commercial deals, doing so on an ad hoc basis and never through a formal agreement.

    The key element of Beavis's claim is alleged terms of a revised agreement that was established in mid-2015, which the former advisor believes entitled him to a monthly $20,000 fee plus 20% commission of Ricciardo's earnings. Ricciardo's defence counters various points made by Beavis regarded communication between the two parties between January and July 2015, the period in which the revised agreement was under discussion. It states that no 20% commission "was discussed as alleged, or at all" or had "even been proposed" by Beavis by email in late January of 2015. The defence adds that if Beavis is able to establish "any binding obligation" to pay 20% commission on the value of a new deal he introduced, which is denied, then such deals "meant contracts relating to sponsorship or merchandising". This is underscored by a meeting between Beavis and Ricciardo at the end of April in 2015, which the defence admits Ricciardo indicated in principle he would be happy to pay 20% commission on such deals.

    It insists that the "deals" referred to meant commercial or sponsorship opportunities, "not driving or racing contracts". The defence believes that between January and July 2015 "every attempt by Mr Beavis to obtain an entitlement to a percentage of Mr Ricciardo's earnings was expressly rejected". It claims that at "no stage" did Ricciardo ever "refer to or agree to" any agreement to pay Beavis beyond a fixed monthly retainer.

    The key details around the Renault move;
    Ricciardo agreed a shock move from Red Bull to Renault last summer, agreeing heads of terms in early August. Beavis claims he initiated this move by starting talks with Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul as early as 2017, but the defence denies Beavis introduced the deal and claims the idea of switching to Renault was instigated by Ricciardo's father. The defence also claims that as it was a driving contract that falls outside the definition of any "deal" Beavis claims he is owed commission on and in any case, reiterates its denial Beavis has such an entitlement.

    It alleges that in August, Beavis proposed from the start of 2019 he be paid 15% of Ricciardo's earnings from F1 contracts and a 20% rate on sponsorship deals introduced. Ricciardo's response to this is not documented, only that Ricciardo made it clear in mid-December that he wished to terminate the agreement that had been established in 2015. It was agreed that Beavis would continued to provide services "during a handover period" on the 2015 terms, and the defence reiterates that "at no stage was any entitlement to commission raised or agreed".

    Specific counter-claims;
    Beavis's claim he received a Rolex watch "in lieu of the commission due" for a Ricciardo deal in 2017 is countered by the defence stating it was a gift from Ricciardo to Beavis. He was also paid a commission of 20% of the value of a BPS Healthcare contract on December 3 2018, but the defence says there was "no pre-existing obligation or basis" for that payment. It states it was "consistent with the position Ricciardo had indicated in principle" at the pair's meeting in Monaco in April 2015.

    Ricciardo's defence denies Beavis is entitled to the £10m+ sum Beavis is seeking, having been paid for all retainer-based invoices through this period. It states these relate to "revenues and other receivables under a driving contract, not a sponsorship or other commercial deal", and denies any breach of contract.

    The defence explicitly denies Beavis is entitled to 20% of the second year of Ricciardo's estimated £20m+ salary, and states there is "no legal basis" for Beavis invoicing for future fees such as commission on performance clauses. Furthermore, the defence denies Beavis is entitled to interest or further relief, and calls on Beavis to present "strict proof" to show the loss/damage he claims to have suffered, adding he is not entitled to any such damages anyway.
     
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  10. Limejuice

    Limejuice Well-Known Member

    Hmm, Beavis sounds like a butt-head.
     
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  11. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Messy business that :rollseyes:

    Bit of rain in practice today which gave the Red Bulls a good run. Pretty close times in P1 so hopefully a good quali tomorrow.

    Normally someone :hmm: has posted up the times by now...
     
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  12. Limejuice

    Limejuice Well-Known Member

    Same old European times (UK clockage): Fri - 10 am and 2 pm; Sat - 11am and 2pm; Race 2:10pm.

    :thumbs:
     
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  13. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    I guessed as much but ideally a timely post would put my mind to rest.
     
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  14. MrCurry

    MrCurry Updated Recipe!

    I missed FP1 and FP2, but it seems like this might be the best news to come from them:

     
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  15. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Wolff say only Ocon or Bottas will partner Lewis
    Toto Wolff says there are only two candidates in the running to be Lewis Hamilton’s teammate in 2020. Since Nico Rosberg suddenly retired at the end of 2016, Hamilton has been teamed up with Finn Valtteri Bottas. But now team boss Wolff is considering replacing him with Esteban Ocon, the former Force India driver who this year has been Mercedes’ reserve.

    Ocon is also strongly linked with a move to Renault, but Wolff told Die Welt newspaper that the 22-year-old deserves a place at Mercedes works team. “We have a top driver in Valtteri, we are aware of that” Wolff told the German newspaper. “But we also have a young, talented driver in Ocon. He deserves a place in Formula 1 as wel”.

    Wolff indicated that the decision between Bottas and Ocon will be difficult. “If there was only one good driver, it would be easy. But that’s not the way it is. They both deserve a chance at Mercedes” he said.

    Verstappen’s exit clause expires on Sunday

    An explosion of intense silly season rumours could finally come to an end on Sunday. Authoritative sources, including Italy’s Corriere della Sera, claim that the lineups at all top three teams Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull are up for grabs. Fernando Alonso is being linked with an unlikely union with Red Bull-Honda, and Lewis Hamilton with a switch to Ferrari. And Mercedes, currently contemplating who Hamilton’s teammate should be, is being linked with a sensational sweep for Max Verstappen.

    Germany’s motorsport-magazin.com reports that Toto Wolff met with the Dutchman’s father Jos Verstappen for dinner in Hungary. Red Bull’s Dr Helmut Marko insists he is not worried. “We are in a comfortable situation” he said. “If Mr Wolff goes to dinner with Jos Verstappen, that’s his business. Max, not Jos, drives for us”.

    The silly season saga began recently when Verstappen’s management confirmed the existence of an exit clause in the 21-year-old’s 2020 contract.
    “The chances of Max staying is 99 per cent,” Marko told the Austrian broadcaster ORF in Budapest. “There’s one mathematically tiny little chance that I do not think will happen”.

    It is believed the ‘exit’ clause is linked to performance, with Verstappen needing to be below third in the championship on Sunday to easily cancel the Red Bull deal. “I’m not great at maths, but Sebastian would have to win the race with Max not getting any points,” Marko said. But he thinks that even if that happens, Verstappen will want to stay “for personal reasons”.

    Then, as Verstappen himself pointed out, 2021 is an entirely different matter. “The title at Red Bull is my target and I believe in it” he said. “It’s like a family. But the new regs in 2021 are a doubt for everyone. What does the future hold? I can’t answer that one yet,” Max added.

    Corriere della Sera also reports that both Hamilton and Verstappen made enquiries with Ferrari recently, but were “politely” turned down, and former F1 driver Ralf Schumacher told Sky Deutschland that Verstappen should steer clear of teaming up with Hamilton at Mercedes. “Going to Mercedes would be nonsense for Max,” he said.
     
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  16. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Good morning, rain around the circuit but not on the track at the moment, dirty track with lots of cement dust to clear up the oil from other races. Just 100ths of a second between the top 3 so we could be in for an interesting qualifying, but I'd never write off Lewis
     
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  17. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Afternoon RaceFam :)

    Looking like the top ten 'shootout' should be interesting. Not sure if the Ferrari is 100% right but hopefully it won't be another clusterfuck.
     
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  18. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Come on Lando :cool:
     
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  19. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Good to see McLaren getting better and better
     
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  20. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Yeah. My home town team and neighbours for a while too. I have been trying to ignore the bad times but it has been painful :(

    Norris and Sainz are doing well too. Hopefully they can keep going in the right direction.
     
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  21. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Max vs Mercs :cool:

    Hamilton fan here but love Max and the Dutch fans :D hope he gets his first poll today/soon. If he does I suspect Hamilton will take him at the start as Max is a bit suspect off the grid.
     
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  22. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    I agree, now Red Bull need a good start tomorrow, the last couple of races they have bogged down, he'll be working on that over night I bet :)

    Makes for a good race I think
     
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  23. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Poll for Max :cool:

    My new local (to Hertfordshire) team is Red Bull so should be pleased for him :D
     
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  24. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Many commentators claiming in the press that Honda have now got the same power as Mercedes, maybe they are correct, its all good for F1 and racing
     
  25. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    I get the feeling Max might have a few small beers :D
     
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  26. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Dutch beer, more head than beer :)
     
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  27. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    OK that's me out of here for a long liquid lunch on the beach, its the middle of winter here and lovely blue sky's and 31C, catch you tomorrow for what could be an epic race with this grid
     
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  28. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    To mark the occasion I have named my new (Garra Flavatra) fish Max Fishstappen :)

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  29. MrCurry

    MrCurry Updated Recipe!

    Interesting tidbit from Will Buxton in the post-quali paddock pass - The time gap from Russell to pole position was less than the gap from Russell to Kubica!

    So sad to see Robert’s return to F1 is not proving to be successful, and very hard to see it continuing beyond this year.

    Love Max Fishtappen Badgers! There is a definite resemblance there.
     
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  30. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Ricciardo engine change so starting from the back. Not that big a drop from 18th mind :hmm:
     
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