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2017 testing dates
Both 4 day tests will be held at Circuit de Barcelona, Catalunya. The first test is scheduled from February 27 to March 2, with the second taking place on March 7-10.

PROVISIONAL 2017 CALENDAR

March 26: Melbourne, Australia

April 9: Shanghai, China

April 16: Bahrain, Bahrain

April 30: Sochi, Russia

May 14: Barcelona, Spain

May 28: Monte Carlo, Monaco

June 11: Montreal Canada *

June 18: Baku, Azerbaijan

July 2: Spielberg, Austria

July 9: Silverstone, United Kingdom

July 23: Budapest, Hungary

July 30: Hockenheim, Germany *

August 27: Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium

September 3: Monza, Italy

September 17: Sepang, Malaysia

October 1: Singapore, Singapore

October 8: Suzuka, Japan

October 22: Austin, USA

November 5: Mexico City, Mexico

November 12: Sao Paolo, Brazil *

November 26: Abu Dhabi, UAE

* Subject to confirmation

Team and driver line-up

Mercedes
Nico Rosberg (Confirmed)
Lewis Hamilton (Confirmed)

Ferrari
Sebastian Vettel (Confirmed)
Kimi Raikkonen (Confirmed)

Red Bull TAG-Heuer/Renault

Daniel Ricciardo (Confirmed)
Max Verstappen (Confirmed)

Williams-Mercedes
Valtteri Bottas (Confirmed)
Lance Stroll (Confirmed)

McLaren-Honda
Fernando Alonso (Confirmed)
Stoffel Vandoorne (Confirmed)

Force India-Mercedes
Sergio Perez (Confirmed)
Esteban Ocon (Confirmed)

Toro Rosso-Renault
Carlos Sainz (Confirmed)
Daniil Kvyat (Confirmed)

Renault
Nico Hulkenberg (Confirmed)
Jolyon Palmer (Confirmed)

Haas-Ferrari
Romain Grosjean (Confirmed)
Kevin Magnussen (Confirmed)

Sauber-Ferrari
Marcus Ericsson (Confirmed)
TBA
Possible Candidates – Felipe Nasr, Antonio Giovinazzi, Pascal Wehrlein, Esteban Gutierrez

Manor-Mercedes
TBA
TBA

Possible candidates: Pascal Wehrlein, Rio Haryanto, Esteban Gutierrez, Felipe Nasr
Read more at Who is going where? 2017 F1 driver line-up so far | F1 Feature

New rules

Side-by-side: How the 2017 rules will change F1 cars - F1 Fanatic

2017 new technical regulations
An increase of the width of the front wing to 1,800 mm (70.9 in).
Lowering the rear wing by 150 mm (5.9 in) and moving its position back by 200 mm (7.9 in).
The leading edge of the barge boards being brought forward to allow teams more freedom in controlling airflow.
An increase of the width of the front and rear tyres to allow cars to generate more mechanical grip.
The minimum weight of the car including the driver being raised by 20 kg to 722 kg, with teams allowed to use 105 kg of fuel to account for the increase in minimum weight.
The token system used to regulate power unit development, where the power unit was divided into individual areas, and each area assigned a points value with development of these areas deducting points from a manufacturer's overall points quota—will be abandoned.
Restrictions are to be placed on the dimensions, weight and the materials used to build each individual component of the power unit.
Teams are restricted to four power units per season regardless of the number of Grands Prix in the season. Previous seasons had included a provision for a fifth power unit if the number of Grands Prix in a season exceeded twenty; from 2017, this provision is to be abandoned.
The cost of a power unit supply is reduced by €1 million in 2017 ahead of a further reduction in 2018.
Cameras will no longer be permitted to be mounted on stalks, located on the nose of the car.

2017 new sporting regulations
From 2017, teams will only be able to use one new component over their quota per race, with any additional components incurring further penalties. This change prevents teams from "stockpiling" spare power unit components.
Power unit suppliers will have an obligation to supply, mandating that they supply power units to any team, should a team end up without an agreement.
In the event that a race is declared wet and must start behind the safety car, the grid will follow normal starting procedures once conditions are declared satisfactory for racing. Drivers will line up on the grid for a standing start once the safety car pulls into pit lane, although any laps completed behind the safety car will count towards the total race distance.
 
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dessiato

Proudly European.
I'm hoping that the races will be shown properly here again. This season there were no live races on terrestrial TV, and the highlight could be very unpredictable. Last night's season closer was delayed by two hours because of some tennis match.
 

weltweit

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I am assuming with wider tyres the cars themselves will probably be wider, and wondering how long the drivers will take to fully acclimatise to the new width, hopefully they will before Monaco or there will be a lot of them in the walls.
 
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1%er

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2017 testing dates
Both 4 day tests will be held at Circuit de Barcelona, Catalunya. The first test is scheduled from February 27 to March 2, with the second taking place on March 7-10.

2017 new technical regulations

An increase of the width of the front wing to 1,800 mm (70.9 in).
Lowering the rear wing by 150 mm (5.9 in) and moving its position back by 200 mm (7.9 in).
The leading edge of the barge boards being brought forward to allow teams more freedom in controlling airflow.
An increase of the width of the front and rear tyres to allow cars to generate more mechanical grip.
The minimum weight of the car including the driver being raised by 20 kg to 722 kg, with teams allowed to use 105 kg of fuel to account for the increase in minimum weight.
The token system used to regulate power unit development, where the power unit was divided into individual areas, and each area assigned a points value with development of these areas deducting points from a manufacturer's overall points quota—will be abandoned.
Restrictions are to be placed on the dimensions, weight and the materials used to build each individual component of the power unit.
Teams are restricted to four power units per season regardless of the number of Grands Prix in the season. Previous seasons had included a provision for a fifth power unit if the number of Grands Prix in a season exceeded twenty; from 2017, this provision is to be abandoned.
The cost of a power unit supply is reduced by €1 million in 2017 ahead of a further reduction in 2018.
Cameras will no longer be permitted to be mounted on stalks, located on the nose of the car.

2017 new sporting regulations
From 2017, teams will only be able to use one new component over their quota per race, with any additional components incurring further penalties. This change prevents teams from "stockpiling" spare power unit components.
Power unit suppliers will have an obligation to supply, mandating that they supply power units to any team, should a team end up without an agreement.
In the event that a race is declared wet and must start behind the safety car, the grid will follow normal starting procedures once conditions are declared satisfactory for racing. Drivers will line up on the grid for a standing start once the safety car pulls into pit lane, although any laps completed behind the safety car will count towards the total race distance.
 

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2017 testing dates
Both 4 day tests will be held at Circuit de Barcelona, Catalunya. The first test is scheduled from February 27 to March 2, with the second taking place on March 7-10.

PROVISIONAL 2017 CALENDAR

March 26: Melbourne, Australia

April 9: Shanghai, China

April 16: Bahrain, Bahrain

April 30: Sochi, Russia

May 14: Barcelona, Spain

May 28: Monte Carlo, Monaco

June 11: Montreal Canada *

June 18: Baku, Azerbaijan

July 2: Spielberg, Austria

July 9: Silverstone, United Kingdom

July 23: Budapest, Hungary

July 30: Hockenheim, Germany *

August 27: Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium

September 3: Monza, Italy

September 17: Sepang, Malaysia

October 1: Singapore, Singapore

October 8: Suzuka, Japan

October 22: Austin, USA

November 5: Mexico City, Mexico

November 12: Sao Paolo, Brazil *

November 26: Abu Dhabi, UAE

* Subject to confirmation

Team and driver line-up

Mercedes
Nico Rosberg (Confirmed)
Lewis Hamilton (Confirmed)

Ferrari
Sebastian Vettel (Confirmed)
Kimi Raikkonen (Confirmed)

Red Bull TAG-Heuer/Renault

Daniel Ricciardo (Confirmed)
Max Verstappen (Confirmed)

Williams-Mercedes
Valtteri Bottas (Confirmed)
Lance Stroll (Confirmed)

McLaren-Honda
Fernando Alonso (Confirmed)
Stoffel Vandoorne (Confirmed)

Force India-Mercedes
Sergio Perez (Confirmed)
Esteban Ocon (Confirmed)

Toro Rosso-Renault
Carlos Sainz (Confirmed)
Daniil Kvyat (Confirmed)

Renault
Nico Hulkenberg (Confirmed)
Jolyon Palmer (Confirmed)

Haas-Ferrari
Romain Grosjean (Confirmed)
Kevin Magnussen (Confirmed)

Sauber-Ferrari
Marcus Ericsson (Confirmed)
TBA
Possible Candidates – Felipe Nasr, Antonio Giovinazzi, Pascal Wehrlein, Esteban Gutierrez

Manor-Mercedes
TBA
TBA

Possible candidates: Pascal Wehrlein, Rio Haryanto, Esteban Gutierrez, Felipe Nasr
Read more at Who is going where? 2017 F1 driver line-up so far | F1 Feature

New rules

Side-by-side: How the 2017 rules will change F1 cars - F1 Fanatic

2017 new technical regulations
An increase of the width of the front wing to 1,800 mm (70.9 in).
Lowering the rear wing by 150 mm (5.9 in) and moving its position back by 200 mm (7.9 in).
The leading edge of the barge boards being brought forward to allow teams more freedom in controlling airflow.
An increase of the width of the front and rear tyres to allow cars to generate more mechanical grip.
The minimum weight of the car including the driver being raised by 20 kg to 722 kg, with teams allowed to use 105 kg of fuel to account for the increase in minimum weight.
The token system used to regulate power unit development, where the power unit was divided into individual areas, and each area assigned a points value with development of these areas deducting points from a manufacturer's overall points quota—will be abandoned.
Restrictions are to be placed on the dimensions, weight and the materials used to build each individual component of the power unit.
Teams are restricted to four power units per season regardless of the number of Grands Prix in the season. Previous seasons had included a provision for a fifth power unit if the number of Grands Prix in a season exceeded twenty; from 2017, this provision is to be abandoned.
The cost of a power unit supply is reduced by €1 million in 2017 ahead of a further reduction in 2018.
Cameras will no longer be permitted to be mounted on stalks, located on the nose of the car.

2017 new sporting regulations
From 2017, teams will only be able to use one new component over their quota per race, with any additional components incurring further penalties. This change prevents teams from "stockpiling" spare power unit components.
Power unit suppliers will have an obligation to supply, mandating that they supply power units to any team, should a team end up without an agreement.
In the event that a race is declared wet and must start behind the safety car, the grid will follow normal starting procedures once conditions are declared satisfactory for racing. Drivers will line up on the grid for a standing start once the safety car pulls into pit lane, although any laps completed behind the safety car will count towards the total race distance.
Why don't you just add extra events etc in subsequent posts?
 

spitfire

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Because if the calendar is correct on the first post then it saves people having to trawl through pages of posts to keep up with what's happening. There's a lot of potential changes on the way.
 

Limejuice

Well-Known Member
I don't understand it. Might as well just cut the GP short by x laps.

The safety car then is just basically giving us something to look at before the race really starts.
I think it also helps dry the track, with 20+ sets of tyres wicking up and spraying the surface water into the open cockpit behind.

:)
 

1%er

Well-Known Member
The standing start after a safety car thing is fucking shit.
This came up a couple of years ago and was rejected so I'm not sure why all the team bosses have now agreed, I can see an argument that it "could" be safer as the grid has a fixed space between cars (but I don't buy it). I think once other members of the team speak to their principles this may well be stopped before it gets any traction (see what I did there ;) )

Some of the reasons it was rejected last time were, all cars would rush to the pits as soon as a safety car was deployed, so they restarted on new rubber, that cars starting on the racing line would get an advantage over those starting on marbles or the wet part of the track if there is a dry line, it could effect the race result if cars running well out-front, stalled or bogged down on the restart.

I can also see the grid being in a right state as cars would surely have to find the grid slot of their position in the race and not their starting position, so loads of cars could possible end up in the wrong grid slot.
 

1%er

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All change for the F1 calendar
The German race has been cancelled apparently. It is the Nurburgring's turn this year but they are unable to finance a race, FOM did approach Hockenheim but have not been able to reach agreement. The Canadian race in Montreal is now certain to go ahead but the race in Brazil will not be finalized until January as the government doesn't think it will have the money. So it looks like we will have a 19 or 20 race season depending on Brazil.

A number of dates have now been changed, so now the season will still start as planned on March 26 in Melbourne and the first seven races will be as previously announced, but the Azerbaijan race will move back a week to June 25. This means that Austria, Britain and Hungary will also each go back a week and will now be on July 9, July 16 and July 30. After the summer break, there is no change for Belgium and Italy, but Malaysia and Singapore are swapping places so that the race in Singapore will be on September 17 and Malaysia will be on October 1, with Japan a week later.

There is another change at the end of the year with Mexico moving forward from November 5 to October 29, to be back-to-back with Austin. If Brazil holds a race there will be a two week break between the USA and Brazilian race, if there is no race in Brazil, the season will still end on November 26 in Abu Dhabi but there could be a 4 week gap after the USGP.

spitfire This is the new calendar, you may want to edit the first post (these are the things you have to do when you start a thread like this one :) )
March 26, Australia; April 9, China; April 16, Bahrain; April 30, Russia; May 14, Spain; May 28 Monaco; June 11, Canada; June 25 Azerbaijan; July 9, Austria; July 16, Britain; July 30, Hungary; August 27, Belgium; September 3, Italy; September 17, Singapore; October 1, Malaysia; October 8, Japan; October 22, United States; October 29, Mexico; November 12, Brazil; November 26 Abu Dhabi.
 

spitfire

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I can't edit it :(

Lazy Llama editor hayulp!

26 March Australia (Melbourne)

9 April China (Shanghai)

16 April Bahrain (Sakhir)

30 April Russia (Sochi)

14 May Spain (Barcelona)

28 May Monaco

11 June Canada (Montreal)

25 June Azerbaijan (Baku)

9 July Austria (Spielberg)

16 July Britain (Silverstone)

30 July Hungary (Budapest)

27 August Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps)

3 September Italy (Monza)

17 September Singapore (Marina Bay)

1 October Malaysia (Sepang)

8 October Japan (Suzuka)

22 October USA (Austin)

29 October Mexico (Mexico City)

12 November Brazil (Sao Paulo)*

26 November Abu Dhabi
 

1%er

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Do Manor have a new owner?
There is a very strong rumor that Tavo Hellmund will soon be announced as the new owner of Manor F1, apparently he has been trying to buy the team for the last 18 months but Manor wanted too much money. Tavo Hellmund has been around F1 for a while and is the promoter of both the USA and Maxican GPs. His family have been friends with Bernie forever as his Dad Gustavo Hellmund-Rosas used to be the promoter of the Maxican GP when is was on the old F1 calendar. Tavo is also an ex-racing driver who raced in British F3 and also Nascar

Could we see the French GP back on the calendar?
François Fillon who looks to be a front runner for the French presidency used to be a racing driver and is still a big fan, he is also a member of the FIA Senate and a good friend of Jean Todt. His brother Pierre Fillon is the President of the Automobile Club de l’Ouest France's biggest motoring club

Formula 1 bosses vote for top driver of 2016

Points are awarded using F1's scoring system of 25 points for first place, down to one for 10th. The people who voted from each team were Toto Wolff Mercedes, Christian Horner Red Bull, Maurizio Arrivabene Ferrari, Vijay Mallya Force India, Claire Williams Williams, Eric Boullier McLaren,
Franz Tost Toro Rosso, Gunther Steiner Haas, Fred Vasseur Renault, Monisha Kaltenborn Sauber and Dave Ryan Manor.

1 Lewis Hamilton, 234 points (No change)
2 Max Verstappen, 183 (Up two places)
3 Nico Rosberg, 176 (No change)
4 Daniel Ricciardo, 133 (Up five)
5 Sebastian Vettel, 90 (Down three)
6 Fernando Alonso, 67 (No change)
7 Kimi Raikkonen, 61 (Up three)
8 Sergio Perez, 52 (No change)
9 Valtteri Bottas, 26 (Down two)
10 Carlos Sainz Jr, 25 (New entry)
 

1%er

Well-Known Member
Formula one cancelled in 2017 shocker!
If we are to run by the rules it would seem that F1 has no teams entered for 2017. Article 8.5 of the F1 Sporting Regulations says "the FIA will publish the list of cars and drivers accepted together with their race numbers on or before 30 November" as no list has been published to-date can we assume that next season has been cancelled? Have the FIA forgotten this rule? I see nothing on their site to indicate what has happened :hmm:

French GP to return in 2018

Well that's what some papers are claiming, in the post above I speculated that maybe because Fillon is an ex-racing driver and a big fan of motorsport that he could support a new race in French. Today I see there are a number of reports in the press claiming that the Paul Ricard circuit (also known as Le Castellet circuit), the Provence Alpes-Côtes d'Azur and the Automobile Club de l’Ouest France (run by Fillon's brother) will be holding a press conference on Monday to announce plans to get F1 back in the country.

It should be noted that Paul Ricard is owned by Bernie's family trust who paid a great deal of money to have the track renovated, but I believe while they own the circuit they rent it to a 3rd party, so I'd imagine that it is the 3rd party company that is bidding to host the Grand Prix.

The last time French hosted a Grand Prix was back in 2008 at Magny-Cours, interestingly enough I seem to recall that Pirelli held a wet weather test at Paul Ricard before the start of this season, so maybe the track doesn't need loads of work to get it ready for 2018, I'm not holding my breath but I also wouldn't rule it out.

Exxon-mobil switch sponsorship to Red Bull
The fact that they have moved to another team will not be a surprise to anyone who followed last years thread, it was posted there that McLaren were likely to have BP-Castrol sponsorship in 2017 but so far there is only talk of BP being a fuel and lubricant partner not sponsor, so Exxon had to move if they wanted to remain in F1. With the return of Renault it was likely that the French oil company Total would move to the French team as they already advertise Elf, part of the Total group. But Total have said they are leaving F1, so maybe BP will move to Renault. BP's sponsorship is thought to be worth around $35 million a year so it is big money. Can Renault really have Elf oil and BP both on their cars?
 
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