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I accept the telephone numbers etc but.. F1 is considered the top of the tree, technology, materials, engine dev, the whole range of ongoing rersearch and development.. the latest spy scandal underlines the huge advantage just for tyre pressures and type of gas used to blow up the tyres... yer really...

Now, professionalism, that runs throughout the sport, from the Rally guys who change gearboxes in ridiculous times, the rally support teams, the 24 hour work schedule...

In saying that, the circuit guys who assemble the hospitality units, convert garages to almost sci-fi labs. The advent of Ecclestone's digital TV and the bakerville villages that preceded F1 races... the whole organisation behind he scenes through out motor sport...

I always like the way the regular race circuit/rally guys just march in, assemble and work, no big out cry, no plaudits, no laurel wreath for doing a fabulous job, just in, sort and move on to the next fixture. The back rooms teams and officials.

Now that's professionalism. lots of good guys out there.
 
Descartes said:
I accept the telephone numbers etc but.. F1 is considered the top of the tree, technology, materials, engine dev, the whole range of ongoing rersearch and development.. the latest spy scandal underlines the huge advantage just for tyre pressures and type of gas used to blow up the tyres... yer really...

Now, professionalism, that runs throughout the sport, from the Rally guys who change gearboxes in ridiculous times, the rally support teams, the 24 hour work schedule...
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Well that's exactly the point I've been trying to make to you: professionalism runs through all disciplines. F1, basically, is just the very top end of one discipline - single-seaters - and the top of many others is not infinitely less professional.

Of course F1's the top of motorsport in terms of publicity and prestige. I just happen to think that beyond the hype it's not actually very interesting.
 
F1 should be doing more though...if it's truly the technological pinacle then why is it only now they're starting to look at energy re-use etc. Rallying at least provided road cars with useable turbos, 4wd, mousse tyres.

As an aside when Toyota got banned from the WRC it was described by Max Mosley as the most ingenious piece of engineering he'd seen in motorsport:

http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/tte_ban.htm
 
g force said:
As an aside when Toyota got banned from the WRC it was described by Max Mosley as the most ingenious piece of engineering he'd seen in motorsport:

http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/tte_ban.htm
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It was very clever indeed, but apparently officials were suspicious well before the device was actually discovered because the Toyotas were noticeably quicker off the mark than the other cars - in a season where the new 34mm engine restrictor had supposedly wiped out the power advantage they'd had before. And in Catalunya, where TTE were finally caught, Kankkunen had been leading until he crashed - on asphalt, where he was never normally the fastest driver.

It was the end of an era, really. Rallying had always been noted for a degree of creative interpretation of the rules. TTE's ban rather put an end to all of that.
 
The technology argument, Toyota claim that the technology built into the Lexus road car is in advance of any thing in Formula ! or WRC

Al the major manufacturers are using a brake bias system built into the steering, McLaren's version, the third pedal glitch was banned. LOL



The last part is quite hilarious.... yumping .

The Turbo fix should have been spotted by the Eligibility Scrutineers before it ever got to seasons end.
 
I just happen to think that beyond the hype it's not actually very interesting.

Ohhh, very important point, when the cars are just doing the ' follow my leader ', yep, boring.... I think they should have a race in the middle of the season with a reverse grid. But, techincal, very interesting, how the regulations are applied and the skull duggery that goes on, ....

Prost and Mansell at Ferrari, Prost swopping parts becasue Mansell was going quicker....ROFLMAO.. and Mansell wondering what was happening...
 
Descartes said:
Ohhh, very important point, when the cars are just doing the ' follow my leader ', yep, boring.... I think they should have a race in the middle of the season with a reverse grid.
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Interestingly, Patrick Head has suggested just that:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7282861.stm

Me, I think it's a bit beside the point. Having the leading cars hacking through the traffic is all very well, but what's really needed is cars of similar speeds racing closely amongst themselves. It's mainly downforce that's preventing that. IMO they should do what's been proposed on and off for about a decade - get rid of the wings, make the tyres narrower and limit the engines to 12,000rpm to to bring power outputs down a bit. It'd be a bit slower, but the cars would slide around a lot more and the racing would be a lot closer. It won't happen though: the wings are too valuable as advertising space!
 
Rubbish idea...Qually should go back to what it was - 3 sessions...reducing number of cars each time with a final session of 15 minutes. At least this season is close to that but still with race fuel rather than pure qually.
 
Roadkill said:
Interestingly, Patrick Head has suggested just that:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7282861.stm

Me, I think it's a bit beside the point. Having the leading cars hacking through the traffic is all very well, but what's really needed is cars of similar speeds racing closely amongst themselves. It's mainly downforce that's preventing that. IMO they should do what's been proposed on and off for about a decade - get rid of the wings, make the tyres narrower and limit the engines to 12,000rpm to to bring power outputs down a bit. It'd be a bit slower, but the cars would slide around a lot more and the racing would be a lot closer. It won't happen though: the wings are too valuable as advertising space!
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or cheaper still ban pitstops for fuel.

meaning the car would have to be filled from begining to end of the race (and qualifiying too) this removes the need for limits as you can't go round and round at top wack if you cannot get more fuel if that becomes a problem...

you'd have the power but wouldn't have a decent handelling car in the start cos it'd be full and it'd be a slippy night mare at the end. again meaning it becomes about driver skill...

but then this is started off time in time out for each season last year ignoring the upsets was one of the hotleyest contested events for years... 3 possible champions on the last race... come on....
 
From my point of view, stuff the racing, it's the techie bits, how to get the most power out of the unit, modify the gearbox to take away the chance of missing a gear from the driver, have aerodynamics that double the cars weight, and then suspension design..

The drivers, you could do away with them and pre program the vehicles... slot car racing... Ok, have drivers, but they can just sit in the car and mustn't touch anything....

ROFLMHO

But, the technology is there, and Patrick Head, wait until I see him... can't trust anyone.. has often said, wouldn't it be better without all the sillies from the drivers.

The cars have to run slower, so the spectators can read the adverts on the wings.... you think I joke.


But, seriously, F! was the pen-ultimate of automotive design, from the techie side and the driver controls, but the continued smaller engines, no turbos, tyres, pump petrol, ( OK, special pumps ) but supposedly standard 105 octane, with no unauthorised additives, all contribute to slowing the vehicles.

Back to the turbos with balanced fuel, over 1000 BHP and no traction control... Hey ho.
 
1. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m26.461s
2. HAMILTON McLaren 1m26.559s
3. MASSA Ferrari 1m26.958s
4. KOVALAINEN McLaren 1m27.114s
5. WEBBER Red Bull 1m27.473s
6 COULTHARD Red Bull 1m28.037s
7. TRULLI Toyota 1m28.292s
8. ROSBERG Williams 1m28.352s
9. ALONSO Renault 1m28.360s
10. FISICHELLA Force India 1m28.469s
11. KUBICA BMW 1m28.579s
12. GLOCK Toyota 1m28.582s
13. BUTTON Honda 1m28.632s
14. HEIDFELD BMW 1m28.731s
15 BARRICHELLO Honda 1m28.849s
16. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m28.957s
17. TRULLI Toyota 1m29.014s
18. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m29.077s
19. SUTIL Force India 1m29.161s
20. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m29.363s
21. PIQUET Renault 1m29.518s
22. SUTIL Force India 1m30.155s
23. SATO Super Aguri 1m30.663s
24. DAVIDSON Super Aguri 1m31.527s
 
It's nice to see that the practice sessions can be now seen on the ITV website.

Looks like they're taking a leaf out of the Nascar book where you can watch a cut down version of the practice/race just after its been broadcast.

The two Red Bull cars look fast but I can't see them keeping the pace through the race.

Good to see that Super Aguri have made it.

Despite it looking like a vintage season I won't be getting up at some silly hour to watch it, I'll try and avoid all media before the re-run in the afternoon.
 
Hamilton takes pole!! Kubica and BMW in general are looking very strong altough prob on a lighter fuel load. Vettel makes the Top 10 in the STR!!! The kid is a superstar already :D

Piquet Jr almost 2 seconds off his team mate and out in the first session. Flav will not be impressed. Kimi suffered from fuel pressure issues.

1. Lewis Hamilton, Britain, McLaren-Mercedes, 1 minute, 26.714 seconds.
2. Robert Kubica, Poland, BMW-Sauber, 1:26.869.
3. Heikki Kovalainen, Finland, McLaren-Mercedes, 1:27.079.
4. Felipe Massa, Brazil, Ferrari, 1:27.178.
5. Nick Heidfeld, Germany, BMW-Sauber, 1:27. 236.
6. Jarno Trulli, Italy, Toyota, 1:28. 527.
7. Nico Rosberg, Germany, Williams, 1:28.687.
8. David Coulthard, Britain, Red Bull, 1:29.041.
9. Timo Glock, Germany, Toyota, 1:29.593.
10. Sebastian Vettel, Germany, Toro Rosso, did not start.

Eliminated after second session

11. Rubens Barrichello, Brazil, Honda, 1:26.173.
12. Fernando Alonso, Spain, Renault, 1:26.188.
13. Jenson Button, Britain, Honda, 1:26.259.
14. Kazuki Nakajima, Japan, Williams, 1:26.413.
15. Mark Webber, Australia, Red Bull, did not finish.
16. Kimi Raikkonen, Finland, Ferrari, did not start.

Eliminated after first session

17. Giancarlo Fisichella, Italy, Force India, 1:27.207.
18. Sebastien Bourdais, France, Toro Rosso, 1:27.446.
19. Adrian Sutil, Germany, Force India, 1;27.859.
20. Takuma Sato, Japan, Super Aguri, 1:28.208.
21. Nelson Piquet Jr., Brazil, Renault, 1:28.330. :eek::eek:
22. Anthony Davidson, Britian, Super Aguri, 1:29.059.
 
Kubica made one slight mistake on 12th turn that cost him the pole. BMWs looking sharp :) I am kind of glad Kimi is at the back - it will make things much more interesting. It will be an exciting race!
 
God I love racing without the electronic aids :cool:

Before the race we had live shots of Hamilton rearranging his giblets and Brundle saying bloody and now we've had Coulthard using some very colourful language about what, I think, looked like a fairly above board manoeuvre.

Its reminding me of why I loved formula one before all the stupid shenanigans of the last couple of years :)
 
James Allen was wrong about the lollypop man being in the wrong there, the refueller should have been no where near the car and yeah maybe the lollypop man should have noticed but its as much the refueller's fault for trying to refuel the car when the safety car was out.

I hope Glock's ok, I hate it when they don't get out of the car straight away.
 
red rose said:
Best Grands Prix I've seen in years definitely

Even if it was a bad result for Ferrari
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Agreed...not many finishers at all. DC and Massa should know better by now :rolleyes: Keikki was screwed by the SC period. Great race by Bourdais in the STR...nowhere in qually but a stunning race.
 
DC and Massa should know better by now

The comment by Blundell was that you cannot see out of the new rear view mirrors...and then qualified that with, they haven't got used to them yet............. sounds about right.
 
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