F1 2005 Season Thread
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australia was completely different to hill/villeneuve
kained&able
Here for the football.
is montoya out of the next race as well or is he back now????
dave
dave
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
So, thoughts on the new Ferrari?
Wasn't quite as good as people expected was it?
Wasn't quite as good as people expected was it?
g force
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No, I think he's back pending a final check. Not really a problem if he isn't after De La Rosa's great drive in Bahrain. Despite Webber's best intentions to cause another accident he showed great skill considering he hasn't driven a competitive race for over 3 years.
I feel a bit sorry for Klien losing out for th next 3 races, but Luizzi on home soil and a track he won at last year is an interesting prospect.
My money would be on MS getting on the podium, unless the F2005 breaks again. I think they made the right move taking it to Bahrain, to get race mielage and it was qucik but frail. The 04 was quick but also bullet-proof.
As Mike Gacoigne said, they assumed they could just change a winning car to the new rules and carry on. That's proven to be their downfall.
Toyota on the other hand
Respect to Trulli for some great drives in qually and the race - kinda shows Falvio the finger 
and shown that Ralf really isn't that good.
I feel a bit sorry for Klien losing out for th next 3 races, but Luizzi on home soil and a track he won at last year is an interesting prospect.
My money would be on MS getting on the podium, unless the F2005 breaks again. I think they made the right move taking it to Bahrain, to get race mielage and it was qucik but frail. The 04 was quick but also bullet-proof.
As Mike Gacoigne said, they assumed they could just change a winning car to the new rules and carry on. That's proven to be their downfall.
Toyota on the other hand
Respect to Trulli for some great drives in qually and the race - kinda shows Falvio the finger and shown that Ralf really isn't that good.
g force
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Agreed - I expect MS to be on the front row at Imola...Rubens i'm not so sure about, he's not really been on it so far.
I see RBR have got an exemption for Friday's, and Klien will drive the third car. I pleased for him, because it must be weird to drive 3 GP's then do nothing - at least he builds on his experience. On the other hand, RBR knew the rules before the did this stupid driver swap, so must have known it would cause problems.
I can't see how it helps either Luizzi or Klien, or the new team - stability is critical in F1. As much as I admire DC, I can't see RBR keeping him on as a race driver, it seems like Klien and Luizzi will get the race seats. Maybe he'll stay on as a tester?
I see RBR have got an exemption for Friday's, and Klien will drive the third car. I pleased for him, because it must be weird to drive 3 GP's then do nothing - at least he builds on his experience. On the other hand, RBR knew the rules before the did this stupid driver swap, so must have known it would cause problems.
I can't see how it helps either Luizzi or Klien, or the new team - stability is critical in F1. As much as I admire DC, I can't see RBR keeping him on as a race driver, it seems like Klien and Luizzi will get the race seats. Maybe he'll stay on as a tester?
mack
Fact Me Till I Fart
Last 3 laps
I'm fu**kin furious with ITV and their poxy advert breaks, you sit around for nearly 2 hours to watch the climax of a great race - 3 laps to go and the ads kick in, Magners cider - probably tastes like pish - howard bloody brown and his halifax wares - the stupid gits - cut back to the race 1 lap to go, I just find the whole experience so tedious with ITV now. Please please please BBC get the bloody contract back!
I'm fu**kin furious with ITV and their poxy advert breaks, you sit around for nearly 2 hours to watch the climax of a great race - 3 laps to go and the ads kick in, Magners cider - probably tastes like pish - howard bloody brown and his halifax wares - the stupid gits - cut back to the race 1 lap to go, I just find the whole experience so tedious with ITV now. Please please please BBC get the bloody contract back!
g force
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You can tell they fucked up by then showing the last 3 laps in full later on. Bloddy joke that coverage.
Great race though...Alonso proving how classy he is, Kimi showed great pace early on, Trulli shopwing how poor Ralf S is...but Jenson...deary me, such promise and then forgets to overtake a back marker!
Great race though...Alonso proving how classy he is, Kimi showed great pace early on, Trulli shopwing how poor Ralf S is...but Jenson...deary me, such promise and then forgets to overtake a back marker!
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
For me that race just showed how far ahead driving wise MS is. Just think how much he could have won by if qualifying had gone better...
Those 10 or so laps where he was going 2 seconds a lap faster than the others were awesome, and his passing of JB was perfect - pile the pressure on, force a mistake, go though a gap that was barely there
There really is no other driver out there thats even close to his talent...
Those 10 or so laps where he was going 2 seconds a lap faster than the others were awesome, and his passing of JB was perfect - pile the pressure on, force a mistake, go though a gap that was barely there
There really is no other driver out there thats even close to his talent...
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
5 more laps and MS would have passed him I reckon.Wowbagger said:
All credit to Alonso though, he got the win which at the end of the day is what matters....
Ferrari are at least kind of back on track. Imola is a very difficult track to overtake on, I doubt MS could have ever overtaken him straight up on the track.
Bridgestone tyres are still pants on a single lap.
Ralf got a penalty of 25 seconds for a dangerous pit stop (released into path of Heidfeld) and so finishes 11th instead of 8th. Heidfeld earns a point.
Button finished the race underweight (when fuel is removed from the car) but was allowed to classify by the stewards. FIA are appealling that one, due to be heard on May 4th.
Bridgestone tyres are still pants on a single lap.
Ralf got a penalty of 25 seconds for a dangerous pit stop (released into path of Heidfeld) and so finishes 11th instead of 8th. Heidfeld earns a point.
Button finished the race underweight (when fuel is removed from the car) but was allowed to classify by the stewards. FIA are appealling that one, due to be heard on May 4th.
g force said:
Button did get caught sleeping quite badly really...sadly, not early enough for MS to compound his raw speed advantage.
The McLaren is looking pretty nimble too...I have a feeling in future races, it'll be them and Ferrari duking it out with Renault close behind. BAR and Williams playing catch up...Toyota drifting a bit further back though Trulli will try and put up a fight. Red Bull Racing, for all their early shock, did rubbish. And Liuzzi completely showed up Coulthard and Klien. His fastest lap was about 1.5 seconds faster than old David's. He's definitely a future talent and I can see a big team like Ferrari (as they always were) taking interest in him.
Not quite sure about Sauber, JV managed to amazingly score some solid points - then again, Massa is still driving like a mad man...is collisions with Coulthard (two of them) may have explained why he was slower...
Basically, it's starting to look a bit more like how last season was without the extremes.
wordie
What's in a word?
So is BAR guilty or are the FIA on a witchhunt?
I'm very cynical about the whole BAR/Fuel/Imola shenanigans.
Basically I reckon the FIA are trying to pile shit on the manufacturers - in this case Honda, so that they can split the manufacturer teams and bring the teams into the FIA/Ecclestone fold with the new post 2008 concorede agreement.
This story on grandpix.com makes interesting reading. Court decision tomorrow.
Any other opinions?
I'm very cynical about the whole BAR/Fuel/Imola shenanigans.
Basically I reckon the FIA are trying to pile shit on the manufacturers - in this case Honda, so that they can split the manufacturer teams and bring the teams into the FIA/Ecclestone fold with the new post 2008 concorede agreement.
This story on grandpix.com makes interesting reading. Court decision tomorrow.
Any other opinions?
g force
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Well, apparently BAR have been using a reserve fuel tank to make sure the car was on the weight limit. That nmeans it's been deisnged into the car, and that is breaking the rules.
If that is the case then they should be thrown out. Blatant cheating (not that it got them anywhere!) will always bee frowned upon. The precedent is when Toyota were found to be using illegal turbos on the Celica WRC car and were thrown out of that year's championship and banned for a further year.
If it's a case of being sneaky with the fuel, then strip them of the Imola result, and fine them. The FIA situation is still finely balanced, but I reckon all the teams will fall into line anyway, so long as the money is right.
So far, you have Ferrari and possbily Red Bull on one side, the rest on the other. More interest is the possible takeover of Sauber by BMW, because that will have a massive impact on Williams and even Button's ideas about joining them. BMW gets an up and coming team with it's own wind tunnel and aero team.
If that is the case then they should be thrown out. Blatant cheating (not that it got them anywhere!) will always bee frowned upon. The precedent is when Toyota were found to be using illegal turbos on the Celica WRC car and were thrown out of that year's championship and banned for a further year.
If it's a case of being sneaky with the fuel, then strip them of the Imola result, and fine them. The FIA situation is still finely balanced, but I reckon all the teams will fall into line anyway, so long as the money is right.
So far, you have Ferrari and possbily Red Bull on one side, the rest on the other. More interest is the possible takeover of Sauber by BMW, because that will have a massive impact on Williams and even Button's ideas about joining them. BMW gets an up and coming team with it's own wind tunnel and aero team.
wordie
What's in a word?
Well as I understand it, BAR Honda are not alone in having a reserve tank within the main tank, as Geoff Willis has said, the engine needs 6kgs of fuel to actually run at all. (pressurised fuel system)g force said:
Surely the question/s is/are (and it's a finely balanced one) does the 6kgs constitute part of the car's weight, do the regulations specifically mention the use of fuel as ballast or not, and what is the norm when it comes to weighing cars after events... i.e. with or without fuel.
Personally I can't see how BAR Honda or any of the team would take the risk of cheating - (albeit I accept the Toyota WRC precedent.) However I CAN see the FIA with Mosely as Pres, being vindictive.
I fully agree that if any team can be shown to have cheated they should be thrown out of the competition and fined a very large sum of money, but IMO it's the very fact that the FIA is not seen as being impartial that causes doubts about their motives.
Should be an interesting verdict later today.....
wordie
What's in a word?
Further to the above on the BAR Honda vs. FIA controversy, here is another interesting analysis of the situation from none other than Maurice Hamilton.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Ouch, that's gonna hurt them, but I guess it could have been a lot worse...tom k&e said:
g force
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So, they did have an extra tank...I think they've got off very lightly. It's blatant breaking of the rules, designed into the car for a performance advantage. I don't accept the "it's a complex system" argument - yeah, it is, but the other teams don't have a second tank.
I suspect they didn't ban them for the season because they don't want to piss Honda off and need their support for the new concorde agreement and didn't want the grid reduced.
I think BAR could have gone well at Monaco - gutting that they were off the pace running underweight. I suspect the Honda management are less than pleased, and Button is wishing the court had found in his favour a few months ago!
I suspect they didn't ban them for the season because they don't want to piss Honda off and need their support for the new concorde agreement and didn't want the grid reduced.
I think BAR could have gone well at Monaco - gutting that they were off the pace running underweight. I suspect the Honda management are less than pleased, and Button is wishing the court had found in his favour a few months ago!
denialworks4me
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interesting to see that BAR are stating they swill still race despite the ban, talk of taking thi to a judge by friday....... good luck to em....it will make for a less interesting race both of of em in fact with out sato and button
