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extras... wtf?

As I side, I think it's pretty clear who he's making fun at with his characters and jokes. He's an old liberal really.
 
Dubversion said:
IThing is, i don't mind offensive humour or difficult characters (otherwise it would be bloody Fresh Fields) but it has to be FUNNY and INVENTIVE. And if Gervais was ever any of those things, I don't think he is any more.

I think you have pinpointed something that I was also trying to delineate in my own mind but couldn't because I was overcome with revulsion at the thought of Gervais. Well done Dub!
 
May Kasahara said:
I think you have pinpointed something that I was also trying to delineate in my own mind but couldn't because I was overcome with revulsion at the thought of Gervais. Well done Dub!


<bows>

;)
 
Dubversion said:
Now I think you're speculating

no - in the office, whose the sensible character? Tim. It's clear Gervais portrays Tim as the person with the "correct" views about things. In my opinion, Gervais likes to think Tim represents what Gervais thinks is "right". So Tim is appaled at Finchey's sexism, Gareth's homophobia, Brent's racism etc.

If Gervais himself was homophobic, how could he have written a character like Tim? Why would he have?

The funny thing was Tim's reactions to things Gareth said. Your supposed to laugh at Gareth for thinking those things.

I can't believe after 5-6 years of Gervais comedies we're discussing this!
 
i love extras. imo the first few ep's of this series were shite but it's matured as it's gone on.. to my mind extra's beats mitchell/webb and mock the week hands down
 
mk12 said:
no - in the office, whose the sensible character? Tim. It's clear Gervais portrays Tim as the person with the "correct" views about things. In my opinion, Gervais likes to think Tim represents what Gervais thinks is "right". So Tim is appaled at Finchey's sexism, Gareth's homophobia, Brent's racism etc.

If Gervais himself was homophobic, how could he have written a character like Tim? Why would he have?

The funny thing was Tim's reactions to things Gareth said. Your supposed to laugh at Gareth for thinking those things.

I can't believe after 5-6 years of Gervais comedies we're discussing this!


I never said Gervais is an out and out bigot, but I think he is quite like his characters - Brent is all too aware of what's 'correct' and blows it a lot. I think Gervais is clever enough to have it both ways.
 
I thought the funniest bit was Marchant waiting for the toilet bowl to fill up again so he could try and flush the rest of his crap away. Not very subtle but very funny. And Ian MacKellan and the vaseline.:D
 
goldenecitrone said:
I thought the funniest bit was Marchant waiting for the toilet bowl to fill up again so he could try and flush the rest of his crap away. Not very subtle but very funny. And Ian MacKellan and the vaseline.:D

i actually cried with laughter when that bottle fizzed up. :o
 
Dubversion said:
i think Gervais - and this is pure conjecture - wrings humour from these characters because he knows there's humour there, but i also think that much of the humour resides in people saying the wrong thing in the wrong place, rather than simply saying the wrong thing per se. I think it's as much Gervais taking on/ sticking his fingers up at 'PC' as it is laughing at bigotry.

I'd definitely agree with this take on it.

mitchell and webb however is fucking awful. I don't think I've ever seen something trying so hard, yet be so unfunny. Well apart from Little Britain.
 
mk12 said:
mitchell and webb isn't funny, not because it's homophobic, but because it's not funny.


For someone championing humour, you're being peculiarly humourless this morning. Perhaps there's a link with you finding Gervais funny? :p
 
I do quite like Mitchell and Webb, too. I liked the odd couple of the paediatric surgeon and the ice-cream taster last week. And the fella that used to play Captain Pugwash in the restaurant. :D
 
Dubversion said:
For someone championing humour, you're being peculiarly humourless this morning. Perhaps there's a link with you finding Gervais funny? :p

it's a shame, because i thought peep show was alright. sketch shows don't do it for me i'm afraid!
 
I also like the fact that Extras is actually a play within a play and there are lots of small references to Hamlet running through it. Clever stuff.:)
 
mk12 said:
no - im saying that those who think he is homophobic don't understand his humour.

Thats a wonderfully patronising statement. And balls too.

I do understand his humour, I find him funny. But that doesn't mean his views aren't a bit dodgy.
 
bluestreak said:
not being funny likie, but the joke here is the sad bloke acting as a gay and torn between looking cool in front of his macho homophobe mates and the screaming camp queers. well, that one is new and fresh. this is the first one i've seen but if that's a good example of the humour... stuff that was tired 15 years ago and full of stereotypes, i'm certainly not bothering again.

Yes, the way it ended was crap, especially - I was waiting for a twist to the ending - like his macho friends to turn out to have nothing against gay people & think Milman was a twat for being a homophobe. Or to actually be gay & he'd never noticed. That would've been funnier and more believable and more awkward.

This way just made me think Gervais didn't get the point of the joke he was trying to make. Someone should make him watch the 'Jesus tells the parable of the good Samaritan' sketch from last week's Mitchell & Webb.

OTH Ian Mckellen's description of his 'acting technique' was lovely though.
 
Ms Ordinary said:
Yes, the way it ended was crap, especially - I was waiting for a twist to the ending - like his macho friends

They weren't his friends, though. They were just a bunch of dickheads he looked up to at school and he's such a snivelling wuss he still cares what they think about him, despite their obnoxious views.
 
to all those who thinks he's homophobic: do you think the way he portrayed his school friends was deliberate?
 
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