Extinction Rebellion

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Jeremiah18.17, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. 8ball

    8ball Hetero Sapiens

    I think that captured it perfectly.
    Although "Wut?" comes a distant second.

    I hope this doesn't mean I'm one of the evil technological elite... :(
     
  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    i can explain it again if you want
     
  3. 8ball

    8ball Hetero Sapiens

    Yeah, go on. I wasn't sure about the significance of "truly" random (as opposed to pseudo-random, which would do well enough for selection of this kind), and why you needed to blindly trust a (presumably unaccountable?) technological elite for such a thing to work.
     
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    it's of course easy to select people ostensibly at random - you could pop yourself at kings cross and select every seventh person departing the mainline station in the morning rush hour, for example, or take the first customer to enter every pub named the red lion (the commonest pub name, btw) in the country. but as you'd doubtless tell me there are problems with the pool of people in each case you'd be selecting - probably people with jobs in the first instance or possible problem drinkers in the second. the genuinely random selection of people, selecting from all possible members of the public, can't be so easily done and would require a computer. this increases the probability, imo, that those selected are more likely to rely on advice from a technocratic elite, whose apparently impartial advice would form the basis for the evidence on which decisions would be taken. i don't myself think the method of random selection is as important as this second factor, but frankly i was bored and wondered what would happen.
     
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  5. 8ball

    8ball Hetero Sapiens

    Pseudo-random generation of numbers is what computers do (they can produce variation that looks random until you *really* scrutinise it). Where you said *truly* random I thought you meant something more like a mathematically 'pure' randomness, such as the timing of radioactive decay). The main issue with randomly selecting people is more a matter of having a complete list of everyone you need to select from imo. I think there is plenty of variation in what people would consider 'close enough', though, and a lower margin would be easily settled upon.

    But I don't see why a computer is likely to choose people who are more likely to rely on advice from a technocratic elite (aside from the fact that people who live 'off grid' are going to try and stay off the databases). Maybe that's not what you mean, but it reads a bit like that.

    I do think that the framing of any questions put to such groups is going to be at issue, though.
     
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  6. Rivendelboy

    Rivendelboy Banned Banned

    To my mind a technocracy refers to the people making decisions, not the general level of advancement in society. But I'm not looking to argue the point.
     
  7. 8ball

    8ball Hetero Sapiens

    Then what are you doing on Urban?

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  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

  9. Rivendelboy

    Rivendelboy Banned Banned

    getting your money's worth with that pic aren'tcha!
     
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  10. 8ball

    8ball Hetero Sapiens

    Look after the pennies etc. etc.
     
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  11. Rivendelboy

    Rivendelboy Banned Banned

  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    ta-ra chuck
     
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  13. smokedout

    smokedout criminal

    Sounds like they're bricking it after the Policy Exchange report tbh
     
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  14. kenny g

    kenny g Sheeple Wake up!

    Just because you found something doesn't give you any right to dictate its future.... one of the greatest feelings is watching something you create take its own path. Maybe RH and GB need to step back a bit...
     
  15. Rivendelboy

    Rivendelboy Banned Banned

    I guess it depends how much influence they have over grassroots protesters
     
  16. Rivendelboy

    Rivendelboy Banned Banned

    I'm in the local XR FB group and someone posted this:

    What is this? I've never heard of a grief circle before, in any context? Is this an XR thing?
     
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  17. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Oh god... a grief circle.

     
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  18. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Suspending my deep cynicism and uncomfortable feeling at any displays of public emotion for a moment...

    Some of this comes from the ideas of deep ecology, which is/used to be more of a thing in the US than here. I can see how it might have some validity and use psychologically, and XR do have this principle of creating a regenerative culture which I can see that fitting in to here.

    Anyway, back to cynicism and cringing, the fucking hippies.
     
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  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    It's wicked to mock the afflicted
     
  20. Rivendelboy

    Rivendelboy Banned Banned

    I don't think I would like to participate in that.
     
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  21. YouSir

    YouSir Look out Laika, it's Earth.

    My first thought was that a Grief Circle would involve everyone standing around slagging off someone in the middle. An oil baron or something.

    Yet again life has left me disappointed.
     
  22. Proper Tidy

    Proper Tidy Arsed

    Every grief circle contains at least one Julian
     
  23. campanula

    campanula diminished responsibilty

    ,
    I am a (sorta) hippie I have worn (shudder) cheesecloth, am kind(ish) to small children and animals, and bloody love trees...but fuck me - not in a million years would you find me in such a gathering of snivellers
     
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  24. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Hmm. But. This filmed performance of "look at my deep sorrow for the land".

    I hadn't thought that Earth First! was into such self-looking, performative drama as that.
     
  25. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Why do you shudder at cheesecloth? :confused: I liked cheesecloth. I liked the whole "not bother to iron it" thing about it. It was perfect for a summer top. By the time my Mum bought me a cheesecloth smock (very "Wurzels), I suppose the fashion had gone but I liked it lot - cool (I mean in terms of temperature, not trendy cool),

    I do keep hoping that there will suddenly be a retro fashion, then the shops might be flooded with it, then the charity shops would. Then I can buy it. It's is great. Plus you can, of course, use it in making crowdie, cheese etc. :)

    (Oops. I don't mean that people are meant to eat it)
     
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  26. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Bits of the US Earth First! scene were in the 1980s. It faded away quite quickly.
     
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  27. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Dunno. One of our hunt sabs got trapped in a ritual space at that EF! Gathering in Snowdonia (Council of all Living Beings?) and still hasn't quite recovered.
     
  28. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    If you'd seen what cheesecloth gets up to when it thinks no one is looking you'd shudder too
     
  29. campanula

    campanula diminished responsibilty

    possibly because i looked like a misshappen lump of ambulant cheddar (yes, I too had smocks...possibly muslin). That crinkly texture wasn't very nice to wear and shredded at the drop of a hat and I was a complete fail at the 70s emaciated, breastless, straight centre parted hair look. Crepe de Chine was a more upmarket but equally grisly version of the rumpled, just climbed out of a haystack look which I mostly recall from the 70s.I haven't ironed anything for 4 decades.

    OMG - panne velvet and wet look cire. 70s textiles were absolutely in the vanguard of the artificial fabric revolution. I do not miss them.
     
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  30. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    How do you know what it is thinking?
     

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