Extinction Rebellion

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Jeremiah18.17, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

  2. BristolEcho

    BristolEcho Well-Known Member

    Been reading his stuff for a while and plan to get his book. Think he's saying a lot of stuff that resonates.
     
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  3. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Yeah the book is mostly really good, I was a bit disappointed in the plunge into identity politics and privilege politics he took in some of it though. I think some of the class stuff is a bit confused too, more equates extreme poverty and deprivation with working class in some bits. He's very sharp on the criticism of activism though.
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2019
  4. TopCat

    TopCat It's hard now...do it faster

    :facepalm:
     
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  5. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Maybe you could offer a better explanation than an emoticon?

    Why do you think infiltration was the problem that wrecked the group? And yes, I know the core group was infiltrated. The infiltration was largely an information gathering mission, they had little political influence on the direction of the group.

    IME problems were to do with the structure of the group that had been needed to organize the things it did, its massive popularity and that creating huge demands externally on the group, changing nature of what enabled activism (the dole), the political direction of the group and no clear ideas where to take things from street parties and then J18.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
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  6. nyxx

    nyxx Well-Known Member

    Green & Black Cross don't usually make statements on particular groups they support, they've had it with XR. Personally I think GBC gave them far too much of their resources before sacking them off cos by this account XR are just shitting all over the work they've been doing, not just for them.

    Statement on Extinction Rebellion | Green and Black Cross
     
  7. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Alles hat ein Ende nur eine Wurst hat zwei

  8. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    They dared to protest and they must be made an example of I surmise.
     
  9. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    Suspect the Met need the stats as part of a push for more funding and increased powers to deal with mass protests.
     
  10. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I'll meet you further on up the road

    I wondered this too
    It's going to take up a lot of court time to get through all of those people some of whom weren't locked on or even in the road at the time but were in the area when a section 14 order was issued and communicated
     
  11. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    S14 is pretty much an absolute offence, so howsabout on the spot fine plus strict bail condition banning returning to protest. No need to transport most arrestees across London for processing. Means protestor has to initiate appeal to be heard in court, with serious costs implications.
     
  12. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I'll meet you further on up the road

    quite
    although I'd rather it didn't go that way
     
  13. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    absolutely, but that's what they seemed to be positioning themselves for when the protests were on.
     
  14. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I'll meet you further on up the road

    I'm surprised they didn't do that tbh
    they arrested people instead [which is so long in comparison]
     
  15. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Isn't getting as many people arrested and filling the courts up with them a central part of the XR strategy?
     
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  16. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    It's hardly fitting people up. And not sure how the non-violent is relevant at all either. They blocked the roads, were warned to move, refused and were arrested.
     
  17. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    Needs a change in the law as they don't have the powers at the moment, certainly for on the spot fines but also I think for onsite processing and bail conditions.
     
  18. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I'll meet you further on up the road

    I thought there would be more arrests that were then dearrested...
     
  19. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    XR protest was peaceful. Plus I think protestors had a lot of public sympathry.

    This meant the police couldn't be seen to be to heavy handed.

    Cressida Dick , head of Met, says XR tactics were new kind of protest.

    The gluing by protestors to roads etc meant Met had to get specialist teams in .

    XR success means police want more powers.
    Extinction Rebellion protest: Look at new deterrents, says top cop
    Reading the article Tories are saying Labour Mayor didn't criticise XR enough.

    Policing isn't just about having powers and laws. Its also about what the police think they can get away with politically. This requires political support.
     
  20. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The police also couldn't use kettling as this was peaceful protest.
     
  21. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    They've used it plenty of times in those situations. I suspect the reason they didn't use it on XR more was more the dynamic of the protests (large numbers, static, and blocking roads) which it meant it wasn't the best tactic.
     
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  22. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

    Err...
     
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    That's when they really like using it.
     
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  24. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Which ones?

    My understanding was from what happened at Waterloo Bridge. Police did block both ends one evening. This stopped water supplies. XR being the well organised group they are brought it to police attention this was peaceful protest. So police had to unblock one end.

    My understanding is that groups like Liberty have helped legal action on behalf of those kettled in previous protests.

    Kettling has been said to be lawful. But now more restricted in its use. That is to stop potentially violent protests. Which in XR protest police couldn't prove.
     
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  25. editor

    editor hiraethified

  26. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse A-wob a-bob bob

    Kettling people who are intent on staying put is a bit of a waste of time...
     
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  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Yeh it's then the police usually do what they did to the climate camp ten years ago
     
  28. Rob Ray

    Rob Ray Irony is well sad

    It fell out of fashion a bit when the High Court ruling in 2012 suggested that cops had to show they had reasonable grounds for thinking there would be an imminent breach of the peace if they wanted to kettle, so it's mostly used against more "obviously scary" types now (eg. EDL or black bloc).

    That said, it'd be a naive fool who thinks they wouldn't still kettle non-violent protests where its expedient to do so and they have a relevant Minister/top cop giving them the nod. Which they will if protesters become annoying/disruptive enough to get businesses/Middle England/the press hot and bothered. In moments of panic Home Secretaries have always been wont to just say "blank cheque, shut them down."
     
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  29. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Alles hat ein Ende nur eine Wurst hat zwei

    14289237-808B-49C7-9FFA-A6E4C5E5B54F.jpeg B3A8CC25-A871-45E8-8243-F120805CD9DC.jpeg Oh shit. Look what was in my daughters schoolbag
     
  30. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Alles hat ein Ende nur eine Wurst hat zwei

    What have I done ?
     

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