Extinction Rebellion

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Jeremiah18.17, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    ...the irony being, low-lying coastal areas like Merseyside and Wirral will be fucked when climate change really kicks in. I'd expect a little more sympathy tbh.
     
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  2. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    Are you offering me out :eek:
     
  3. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    As I've already posted I have reservations about how democratic it is.

    The quote you put up does not say who it was who said this

    I was in Fleet Street today. In City they had more hostile reception. They had there spokespersons there fieliding questions. I do have problems with the Three Demands.

    I can't support a People's Assembly circumventing democratic procedures to help impose a State of Emergency.
     
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  4. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    Now that's worth considering and a very good point made :D I pity the posh folk on the west side on the Wirral even though that's the right side of the wedge. It's major bucks out that way but there will be no beaches at some point, just charity shops. Shame about Moreton and Wallasey though :(

    I still reckon they would of dragged these dicks off the train to go about their own personal business this morning though. Do you have a view on that?

    Now can I have my tea? x
     
  5. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I'm not saying anything. Just saying its easy to be abusive wind up merchant on the internet.

    Its you who is offering wind up remarks that are offering me out. Such as Jog On. I'm sorry Its Jog the Fuck on.

    As I said its easy to do that on internet.
     
  6. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I've looked at life from both sides now

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  7. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    I have a friend of Pakistani descent who is getting somewhat exercised over XR on FB over what they perceive as exclusion of BME people by default as were they to be involved in the protests they run the risk of being stripped of their citizenship because of the colour of their skin. Whether this is fanciful or not I really can't say but I did see a video of a couple of mixed-race girls online someplace saying that if it were BME people doing the protesting the gloves would really have come off by now. My friend has also observed that they quote John Locke - a slaveowner (unbeknownst to me up until they pointed it out) on their site.

    upload_2019-4-25_21-9-39.png

    Declaration of Rebellion - Extinction Rebellion

    Now I am not trying to derail or troll this thread but it seems that there may be questions that need addressing.

    Big thanks to all the people who have provided pics and info on the protests. :)
     
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  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Fine effort today in the City.

    :thumbs:

    Sorry we didnt meet.
     
  9. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Oh there's also this which I saw earlier which is a bit wtf :facepalm:

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    I guess at the very least they run a risk of divide and rule by vested interests with this sort of thing. If they wish to raise the issue of mass migration, far better to point out that it is a direct consequence of things like climate change, pollution and resource wars bought on by capital's desire for unlimited expansion and that would just be a starting point.
     
  10. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    It's short-sighted at best, at worst it smacks of bullying. O look students getting in everyone's way, fuckem - but it's climate change, nobody is going to be exempt from what it brings. It's easy enough to take the piss out of twats blocking trains but none of us will be laughing when cities start to flood every winter and crops fail because of extreme weather events.

    It's actually fucking scary :(

    hope you enjoyed yr tea though .. I had quite a few air miles with mine, and I feel kind of rotten for it.
     
  11. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    OK I've had my tea now so I'll spend a bit more time conversing with you.

    I don't think a small number of privileged people stopping lots of other people getting to work, providing for their families is a productive way for everyone to address the issue of climate change. My point is that this sort of behaviour would only be accepted in the metropolis and is a joke.

    Do you know what the two groups involved in that video are called? Do you think anyone in the rest of the country would take them seriously given the names they are protesting under? Do you think they represent the people who's lives they are disrupting.

    One of ER's claims is that the governments of this world close down debate on climate change. ER and people like yourself are doing far worse that that accusing anyone who doesn't agree with the current regime of action as a troll, a keyboard warrior, sheeplike and so on. In fact your suggestion that I wouldn't say the same thing to you in person as I have on here is a classic keyboard warrior trope. Which is why I justifiably think you're a dickhead. ;) You have acted exactly in the way in which you're accusing me.

    I made a parody joke about the video posted above. I do personally think that these knobs are taking the piss protesting under the names that they are if they want to be taken seriously by the people they are hoping to engage with then why are they hiding behind religion and fanny knitting? That's the same game George and Tony were playing when they started the most recent crusade which is causing most of the problems climate change is enduring. You decided my friend to let the joke fly over your head and also took umbrage to the point I raised and that is that for anywhere other than the metropolis most people wouldn't put up with this shit because living day by day is not a choice to a lot of the people who are being disrupted.

    You sound like someone who has the well meaning of a sixth form student but the intellectual concept of a member on the snowflakes knitting cunts together ;)

    I wish you luck with your delusional efforts of bringing about global change because like most of these attempts at social mobilisation you're actually alienating yourselves from the people you need on your side to do it.

    Now be careful now when the wake comes

    [​IMG]
     
  12. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    :D

    Yep I totally agree but Rick never got the rest of the young ones behind his views by calling everyone a fascist even though most of us agreed with those views. ;)

    [​IMG]

    These lot are making cocks of themselves and are gifting the media and the people who run it with a free swipe at the cause.

    I predict that Bono will be on this within a week ;)
     
  13. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    So what the critics are saying is that although climate change is likely to bring massive poverty, hunger, displacement and death, we should ignore it because these protests aren't curated with the level of cultural and class precision some would like.

    We're fucked.
     
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  14. Serge Forward

    Serge Forward Well-Known Member

  15. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    It's all so big and apocalyptic and way way more than any one of us can actually deal with, there is a constant temptation to just go eh fuck it. Personally I wish I could and we all would just strike, strike, strike and bring the global economy crashing down with a mass refusal to engage. Aint gonna happen either, but IMO anyone making real efforts to spoil and clog up ''the economy'' to make an important point - even if that inconveniences everyday people of which I am one - I pretty much support 100%.
     
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  16. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    Right.. So let's just do that first then :rolleyes:
     
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  17. Serge Forward

    Serge Forward Well-Known Member

    The clue's in the word "ultimately" :rolleyes:
     
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  18. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    No just stop calling yourself "Members of Christian Climate Action and The Snowflakes Knitting Cunts Together" in an effort to be taken seriously and find a better way of mobilising a larger proportion of the planet you're trying to save that the number you are currently alienating from it with your current tactics. It's quite simple when you get your head around it.
     
  19. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill Enforced Holiday

    One of the pleasures of getting older I’ve found is how easy it actually is to be verbally abusive face to face.
     
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  20. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member


    Nope.

    I've never asked you out.

    You repeated recourse to abuse and stereotypes marks you out as a keyboard warrior.

    Its you using aggrassive asking out tropes like "Jog On".

    You haven't met these protestors in person. They also work and provide for their families. They have taken time off to do this protest.

    I don't see them as all privileged. They are a mixed bunch.

    They also come from all part of the Country to do this protest in the Capital City of UK.

    Your view that this would only be acceptable in the "metropolis" still is something I don't understand. Why? Plenty of people in London aren't that well off and need to get to work.
     
  21. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Not for me.

    In fact getting older means for me I have got less abusive face to face.

    I find it shows lack of maturity.
     
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  22. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Not everyone's a fan but Monbiot has been calling for an end to capitalism and it's something that in the final analysis may well be ultimately be true. Greta Thunberg has called for general strike and it may well be that it will be things like these that effect change. So it's not like these things are outlandish ideas from the periphery of society.
     
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  23. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The photos I posted up of the police getting removing protestors from the Truck on Waterloo Bridge didnt clearly show that one the the two people who had glued / locked themselves to the truck was a young black man.

    I didn't mention it at the time but as race has come up I point that out now.
     
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  24. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    Go back to the beginning ;)

    Here's the total sum of your lot today

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    Now if that picture contained all the people whose lives you have disrupted this week it would look like a genuine protest and not a bunch of divs called "Members of Christian Climate Action and The Snowflakes Knitting Cunts Together" who have served only to disrupt the people's lives who could fill Parliament Square. What have you achieved? What has changed?

    Imagine how much change you would bring about if that many people really got behind the cause this week.

    They didn't and all you have achieved is dressing up as knobs, calling yourself silly names, actors flying in planes to hijack your little show and a right good hiding in the media.

    I'm sorry but there are many more people in this world including myself who care just as much about the planet as you do who have a right to criticise the way in which you have gone about it this week. It's pretty much a joke.

    If you can't take the heat step out of the kitchen ;)
     
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  25. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    Yep. You just hide behind you keyboard now and accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you now a troll x
     
  26. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I haven't stepped out yet.

    I don't know why you call them my lot.

    If you actually read this thread my position has been critical at times and supportive at others.
     
  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    You doing it now.
     
  28. How are we proposing to reduce carbon emissions to zero whilst keeping mass migration? Or how mass migration fits into a sustainable world model without capitalism.
     
  29. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    People will simply have to migrate by bicycle.

    As for a world without capitalism, well curbs on migration are a vital component of modern capitalism so I'm not sure what your point is there.
     
  30. Migration is both a symptom and function of capitalism.
     
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