Extinction Rebellion

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Jeremiah18.17, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    We all long to hear that London Bridge is down
     
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  2. eoin_k

    eoin_k Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music

    I'd be surprised if Extinction Rebellion had anything to do with it, unless they have been engaged in some seriously deep infiltration of the London Taxi Drivers Association.
     
  3. cheesepig

    cheesepig Cheesepig


    Nope.

    I'm quite happy to intervene in a violent incident in which someone is perpetrating a misuse of authority (or power).


    I don't like collective blame of groups (the rich, Eton old boys, union members, blacks, middle class white guys) and advocacy of violence against them.


    I'm sure that now I have explained, you will agree with me.
     
  4. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Alles hat ein Ende nur eine Wurst hat zwei


    yer right- it was taxis.
     
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  5. editor

    editor hiraethified

    From FB:

    extinct.jpg
     
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  6. Rob Ray

    Rob Ray Irony is well sad

    Jesus these people are a bloody menace. I can't imagine their leadership is State, no undercover would be that blatant.
     
  7. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Long and quite painful interview with them on Novara. I am trying to see the good in what's going on with them, but they don't half make it hard to see that through all the horrendous and ignorant politics.
     
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  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Their entire mo is based round criminalisation of their movement
     
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  9. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I'll meet you further on up the road

    I agree. I am really invested in the urgent necessity to address climate change and I've drifted in and out of climate change protest since the early '90's(Like many on here) but I'm not finding the substance with XR (yet?)
     
  10. eoin_k

    eoin_k Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music

    Aside from any general criticism of accountable nonviolent direct action, the way Roger Hallam presents what Extinction Rebellion is up to in the Guardian video (posted up thread) seems really misguided. People pledging their willingness to face the consequences of committing acts of civil disobedience is one thing, but turning around to the coppers and publicly suggesting that they get buses and make mass arrests, so you can win, just seems delusional. It's like calling the local sheriff's office from an Alabama lunch counter to remind them to bring the Alsatians.
     
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  11. Rob Ray

    Rob Ray Irony is well sad

    I know, but this is a step towards criminalising even those people involved who can't afford prison time. Anyhow various folks have made sure it's flagged with ER and suggested they talk to a lawyer.
     
  12. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    I find the fact that they've rejected consensus decision making (nice idea but a massive pain in the arse irl) in favour of something called holocracy. That does indicate a critical attitude to social movements of the past.
     
  13. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Interesting idea
     
  14. TopCat

    TopCat It's hard now...do it faster

    What's that then?
     
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  15. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Holacracy

    I mean, it's basically a cell structure as used by terrorists worldwide, but someone with an MBA branded it.
     
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  16. TopCat

    TopCat It's hard now...do it faster

    So when the police infiltrate they are fucked.
     
  17. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Also cuts the ready time of new members considerably, when there's no 'membership' as such or centralised approval system. Like, grab some mates, put on the T-shirts and off you go.
     
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  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

  19. Rob Ray

    Rob Ray Irony is well sad

    "Extinction Rebellion style", as though lock-ons were invented by Roger bleedin' Hallam. Seriously state of that paper sometimes you'd think it was being run by Leonard from Memento.
     
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  20. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    The Age of Social Media being what it is, some twats will prioritise grandstanding over effectiveness or outcome. But this sort of civil disobedience has been slowly normalising for decades now, to a point where it's becoming something to actually aspire to. It fits perfectly with in a time when everything is documented live and commented on before it's even finished.

    Though I have no doubt that sooner or later will come new legislation to counter these cellular techniques; ways of criminalising smaller gatherings on less evidence would be my guess. Possibly also attempts at criminalisation of closed message groups, it may be unenforceable but that's never stopped a government before.
     
  21. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

  22. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    Even if they weren’t Royal they’d still have power due to their enormous wealth and the amount of land they own.
    Do you think they’re just pantomime figures or something?
     
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  23. ferrelhadley

    ferrelhadley These violent delights have violent ends.

    So the thread about climate change has managed about 26 posts this year. That is just over 2 a month.
    Climate Change
    The thread largely criticising a group protesting about climate change has managed about 330 posts in a month.

    So very Urban 75, :thumbs:

    And now for something completely different.

    The UKs CO2 emissions have already dropped to levels last seen in the 1890s

    [​IMG]

    Britain's CO2 Emissions Have Fallen to Levels Last Seen in 1890

    The UK is on the road to the phase out of coal (the Radcliff, Drax and Kingsnorth Climate Camps were anti coal generation)
    [​IMG]


    Lazards review of the levalized costs of electricity generating showed that renewables are becoming cost competitive with thermal fossil fuel plants (and exceeding them) [for the US but the global trend in similar]

    [​IMG]


    These protests are pushing at a door that is already opening. People want clean air for their cities, cheap energy for their homes and a stable climate for their children. Low carbon energy sources, public transport over cars and improving housing insulation are all easy policy wins to achieve the former. Extinction Rebellion are off their arses and doing something. That makes them alright in my book. What they are doing is one tiny part of a huge global effort to attack an enormous problem from multiple angles.

    4th warmest year ever measured and a mild el Nino brewing.

    If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them. :cool:
     
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  24. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    What's it look like when you factor in flights from / to UK airports?
     
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  25. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    And I know a few climate change activists who enjoy their down time a few thousand miles away and don’t get there by boat.
     
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  26. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    I’m surprised that hydrogen isn’t being leapt on as an alternative vehicle fuel.
     
  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Last seen in the 1890s except in the 1920s
     
  28. eoin_k

    eoin_k Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music

    As with electric vehicles, you still need an energy source to produce the hydrogen, so it's no panacea for climate change.
     
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  29. Wookey

    Wookey Muppet is not a slur

    I'm with you, these people are natural allies of mine. I am on their side. I do fear though that their response is disproportionate to the problem they seek to solve, and until we see more people willing to go to prison for 30 years for climate activism, rather than just risking mere arrest, and taking the fight into targeted transport and power infrastructure sabotage, and properly-funded cyber attacks on the top C02 polluters, and other more sustained undermining of the oil economy, the state is going to successfully minimise them, brush them off as the ship sinks.
     
  30. TopCat

    TopCat It's hard now...do it faster

    30 years prison eh?
     

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