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Cheesepig3

Cheese. Cheese. Cats.
so you're quite happy to decide who should get a twatting but less happy for other people to do the same. right.

Nope.

I'm quite happy to intervene in a violent incident in which someone is perpetrating a misuse of authority (or power).


I don't like collective blame of groups (the rich, Eton old boys, union members, blacks, middle class white guys) and advocacy of violence against them.


I'm sure that now I have explained, you will agree with me.
 

editor

hiraethified
From FB:

Whatever your feelings on Extinction Rebellion, you'd be wise NOT to fill out one of these data collecting forms, either on paper or online. A quick read and a little think and you will see exactly why. Please spread the word
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Miss-Shelf

I'll meet you further on up the road
Long and quite painful interview with them on Novara. I am trying to see the good in what's going on with them, but they don't half make it hard to see that through all the horrendous and ignorant politics.
I agree. I am really invested in the urgent necessity to address climate change and I've drifted in and out of climate change protest since the early '90's(Like many on here) but I'm not finding the substance with XR (yet?)
 

eoin_k

Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
Aside from any general criticism of accountable nonviolent direct action, the way Roger Hallam presents what Extinction Rebellion is up to in the Guardian video (posted up thread) seems really misguided. People pledging their willingness to face the consequences of committing acts of civil disobedience is one thing, but turning around to the coppers and publicly suggesting that they get buses and make mass arrests, so you can win, just seems delusional. It's like calling the local sheriff's office from an Alabama lunch counter to remind them to bring the Alsatians.
 

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
I find the fact that they've rejected consensus decision making (nice idea but a massive pain in the arse irl) in favour of something called holocracy. That does indicate a critical attitude to social movements of the past.
Interesting idea
 

mojo pixy

unquantifiable hazards
Also cuts the ready time of new members considerably, when there's no 'membership' as such or centralised approval system. Like, grab some mates, put on the T-shirts and off you go.
 

mojo pixy

unquantifiable hazards
The Age of Social Media being what it is, some twats will prioritise grandstanding over effectiveness or outcome. But this sort of civil disobedience has been slowly normalising for decades now, to a point where it's becoming something to actually aspire to. It fits perfectly with in a time when everything is documented live and commented on before it's even finished.

Though I have no doubt that sooner or later will come new legislation to counter these cellular techniques; ways of criminalising smaller gatherings on less evidence would be my guess. Possibly also attempts at criminalisation of closed message groups, it may be unenforceable but that's never stopped a government before.
 

ferrelhadley

These violent delights have violent ends.
So the thread about climate change has managed about 26 posts this year. That is just over 2 a month.
Climate Change
The thread largely criticising a group protesting about climate change has managed about 330 posts in a month.

So very Urban 75, :thumbs:

And now for something completely different.

The UKs CO2 emissions have already dropped to levels last seen in the 1890s



Britain's CO2 Emissions Have Fallen to Levels Last Seen in 1890

The UK is on the road to the phase out of coal (the Radcliff, Drax and Kingsnorth Climate Camps were anti coal generation)



Lazards review of the levalized costs of electricity generating showed that renewables are becoming cost competitive with thermal fossil fuel plants (and exceeding them) [for the US but the global trend in similar]




These protests are pushing at a door that is already opening. People want clean air for their cities, cheap energy for their homes and a stable climate for their children. Low carbon energy sources, public transport over cars and improving housing insulation are all easy policy wins to achieve the former. Extinction Rebellion are off their arses and doing something. That makes them alright in my book. What they are doing is one tiny part of a huge global effort to attack an enormous problem from multiple angles.

4th warmest year ever measured and a mild el Nino brewing.

If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them. :cool:
 

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
So the thread about climate change has managed about 26 posts this year. That is just over 2 a month.
Climate Change
The thread largely criticising a group protesting about climate change has managed about 330 posts in a month.

So very Urban 75, :thumbs:

And now for something completely different.

The UKs CO2 emissions have already dropped to levels last seen in the 1890s



Britain's CO2 Emissions Have Fallen to Levels Last Seen in 1890

The UK is on the road to the phase out of coal (the Radcliff, Drax and Kingsnorth Climate Camps were anti coal generation)



Lazards review of the levalized costs of electricity generating showed that renewables are becoming cost competitive with thermal fossil fuel plants (and exceeding them) [for the US but the global trend in similar]




These protests are pushing at a door that is already opening. People want clean air for their cities, cheap energy for their homes and a stable climate for their children. Low carbon energy sources, public transport over cars and improving housing insulation are all easy policy wins to achieve the former. Extinction Rebellion are off their arses and doing something. That makes them alright in my book. What they are doing is one tiny part of a huge global effort to attack an enormous problem from multiple angles.

4th warmest year ever measured and a mild el Nino brewing.

If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them. :cool:
What's it look like when you factor in flights from / to UK airports?
 

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
So the thread about climate change has managed about 26 posts this year. That is just over 2 a month.
Climate Change
The thread largely criticising a group protesting about climate change has managed about 330 posts in a month.

So very Urban 75, :thumbs:

And now for something completely different.

The UKs CO2 emissions have already dropped to levels last seen in the 1890s



Britain's CO2 Emissions Have Fallen to Levels Last Seen in 1890

The UK is on the road to the phase out of coal (the Radcliff, Drax and Kingsnorth Climate Camps were anti coal generation)



Lazards review of the levalized costs of electricity generating showed that renewables are becoming cost competitive with thermal fossil fuel plants (and exceeding them) [for the US but the global trend in similar]




These protests are pushing at a door that is already opening. People want clean air for their cities, cheap energy for their homes and a stable climate for their children. Low carbon energy sources, public transport over cars and improving housing insulation are all easy policy wins to achieve the former. Extinction Rebellion are off their arses and doing something. That makes them alright in my book. What they are doing is one tiny part of a huge global effort to attack an enormous problem from multiple angles.

4th warmest year ever measured and a mild el Nino brewing.

If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them. :cool:
Last seen in the 1890s except in the 1920s
 

Wookey

Muppet is not a slur
If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them. :cool:
I'm with you, these people are natural allies of mine. I am on their side. I do fear though that their response is disproportionate to the problem they seek to solve, and until we see more people willing to go to prison for 30 years for climate activism, rather than just risking mere arrest, and taking the fight into targeted transport and power infrastructure sabotage, and properly-funded cyber attacks on the top C02 polluters, and other more sustained undermining of the oil economy, the state is going to successfully minimise them, brush them off as the ship sinks.
 
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