Extinction Rebellion

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Jeremiah18.17, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Jeremiah18.17

    Jeremiah18.17 Well-Known Member

    This initiative from Rising Up appears to be gathering support nationally and internationally and could snowball into something as big or bigger than the Occupy Movement........Hopefully with better outcomes. Seems to have captured some of the feeling of the moment after the latest IPCC statement.

    All kicking off with a declaration of rebellion in Parliament Square on Wednesday 31st October.

    Rising Up!
     
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i saw some flyposting in dalston recently

    here's a handy hint: if flyposting in dalston, don't do it on a backstreet where the only people to see it are aggrieved librarians and cyclists
     
  3. Jeremiah18.17

    Jeremiah18.17 Well-Known Member

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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  5. Jeremiah18.17

    Jeremiah18.17 Well-Known Member

  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  7. Jeremiah18.17

    Jeremiah18.17 Well-Known Member

    Regardless of the support of well meaning liberal civil disobedience types I think that if this takes off, this has the potential to become much bigger and more threatening to the powers that be. Anyhow, opening up of more fronts of struggle is usually a positive sign. And it is a very striking symbol they are using, showing a good understanding of the power of symbols - note the number of psychologists in that list:

    Extinction Symbol
     
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  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    tbh the climate catastrophe coupled with the increasing political uncertainty on the world stage is going to lead to a great increase in conflict
     
  9. Brainaddict

    Brainaddict chief propagandist (provisional)

    I'd love to see such a movement grow, but it feels like it needs a clearer (and probably economic) conflict as a spark. My sense is that mass movements need clear, obtainable wins for ordinary people, arising from everyday conflicts, as well as needing the bigger ideas about the future.
     
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  10. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i thought it was a few students with a stepladder and floury paste from the quality of the posters
     
  11. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    I have been seeing this on t'internet a bit the last few weeks, was going to post something here for starting a discussion.

    It looks a bit unlikely to take off to me tbh, when you see that one of their big events is non-violence training in Glastonbury and one of their promoted videos is some nonsense about tax disobedience it looks like a poor attempt at predictable liberal activism rather than anything that could catalyze a larger struggle.
     
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  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    at first i thought it was intended to be a cross between the sack parliament attempt of 2006 and guerrilla gardening, which would likely be far better than what it actually sounds like
     
  13. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Putting pressure on Greenpeace...

     
  14. Argonia

    Argonia Happy go licky

    Sounds promising
     
  15. rich!

    rich! stalin tache

    I went along to a local event, and it actually seemed pretty good. There's a strong NVDA/civil disobedience playbook they are working from, they have a sensible model for getting engagement, and their basic points are pretty solid.

    And they followed up with emails a couple of days later - no Facebook needed. Bonus points in my book.
     
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  16. heebyjeeby

    heebyjeeby Member

    This appears to be an 'alternative' socio-cultural event presumably lead by the current incarnation of Artists/Squatters/Activists that made up the Reclaim the Streets/Newbury Bypass of a generation ago. It sounds like fun, I can remember dangling from a Tripod near Holloway Rd in 1999 BUT let's not pretend it's actually going to lead to any change in the structure of society,
     
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  17. heebyjeeby

    heebyjeeby Member

    I'm delighted to see Non Violent education, what makes you think 'Violent' action would catalyze a larger struggle? What do you think it would achieve other than spending 4 hours being Kettled?
     
  18. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    It's a long discussion I can't be bothered to have, but for a start to assume any 'violent' action is inevitably tied to being kettled is incorrect. And it's less about the form of the action (violent or non-violent, even if we do agree on what each of those things mean) but there's a whole host of assumptions and politics that usually go with calling something non-violent.

    Not perfect, but these are a start:

    Full text of "Pathology of Pacifism"

    How Nonviolence Protects the State
     
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  19. heebyjeeby

    heebyjeeby Member

    'Non violence is racist'...oh give me strength. American armchair posturing. Violence will achieve nothing but propaganda for the Tory Government and a few 2 year stretches handed out.
     
  20. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Just in the UK, or globally? And just at the moment, or at any time in history?
     
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  21. heebyjeeby

    heebyjeeby Member

    UK right now
     
  22. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Whereas sitting in a circle singing Kumbaya is certain to bring the government down to its knees.
     
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    maybe michael gove, who likes nothing more than a sing-song round a fire
     
  24. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    why do you think it should now be so ineffective when it has won so many things in the past?
     
  25. heebyjeeby

    heebyjeeby Member

    Such as where?
     
  26. heebyjeeby

    heebyjeeby Member

    You think a bunch of Anarchists will bring the government to its knees by smashing up a MacDonalds?
     
  27. lucillemara

    lucillemara Active Member

    no we have to smash up more things than that
     
  28. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh. you've not come across the concept 'war' before, have you? i blame the government for their pisspoor education policies.
     
  29. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    oh i think we've seen you somewhere before, my lovely
     
  30. lucillemara

    lucillemara Active Member

    the state is already violent heeby
     

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