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You must have pretty wealthy mates if they’re all buying you holidays for Christmas. I don’t think I’ve bought a mate a Christmas present in thirty odd years, never mind an ‘experience’.

I thought this was about people buying for themselves rather than each other.

edit: though I guess you could count when some friends bought me a day's banger racing as a birthday present
 
Read something recently that was a load of interviews with refugees fleeing war zones/disasters and their phone was their number 1 item they'd take. Number 2 was often a power bank or another phone.

There was a great article debunking the frankly ridiculous premise that as Refugees had smart phones they were well off and not “real refugees”

Likewise the owning a 42 inch tv = fake poverty shit
 
I thought this was about people buying for themselves rather than each other.

edit: though I guess you could count when some friends bought me a day's banger racing as a birthday present

I assumed that initially (or within a family) but the op later clarified the actual context.
 
Oh sure - navigation, communication, messaging, news, weather, finding facilities etc. (that's without even looking at the links so prob missed a load of things)
I meant about the 42 inch tellies (among my mates, size of telly seems to map to income reasonably). :)

Well it would seem you can pick one up for about £50 on ebay.
 
Well it would seem you can pick one up for about £50 on ebay.

Fair enough - just meant that when thinking about it for a minute, my mates with less cash have smaller tellies.
Thought you were referring to an article about it.
 
As magnus and xenon said it's a trope that periodically gets dragged out.

Now you mention it, I remember Jamie Oliver saying something so I Googled it:

Jamie Oliver said:
I've spent a lot of time in poor communities, and I find it quite hard to talk about modern-day poverty. You might remember that scene in Ministry of Food, with the mum and the kid eating chips and cheese out of Styrofoam containers, and behind them is a massive fucking TV.

Also, aside from a vague prejudice, they seem to have had quite a public debate on this question in the US a few years back.

This is one of the better contributions imo.
 
Anyway, my earlier point about smart phones was to do with the insinuation from the op that these people are somehow post-materialistic. It’s complete Bollocks, they’ve just got that base covered and so are now projecting where they want other disposable income to be spent whilst painting themselves in some ethical bohemian light.
 
Seems to be a thing now amongst my better off m/c friends.

People who not so long ago were very materialistic are now all "Oh, We're not about 'stuff' we're about 'experiences'".

Which they then buy as a package based upon whatever is in vogue amongst their peers.

Yuk.

I've had plenty of experiences, I didn't pay for them. I could do with some more 'stuff' (or better stuff) though, thanks.
It's not/never stuff or experiences, is it?
Demand the impossible...and lots of it!

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Anyway, my earlier point about smart phones was to do with the insinuation from the op that these people are somehow post-materialistic. It’s complete Bollocks, they’ve just got that base covered and so are now projecting where they want other disposable income to be spent whilst painting themselves in some ethical bohemian light.

No, they think they're post-materialistic. I don't.
 
...it's also about the gentrification of activities.
commodification vs gentrification?

(making it available for money vs making it available for a lot of money?)

i'm buying "an experience" when i pay for my groceries to be delivered as part of a recipe service. the specific experience i'm paying for is "home cooking", to which i have to contribute otherwise it doesn't work.

it's a totally modern invention (to have someone else meal plan for you) as far as i can tell - but does its existence represent commodification or gentrification or both/neither?
 
I wonder how we might judge authenticity in a world where everything is mediated - your authenticity is fake and hollow to the next person, and so on.

Do we really *need* to judge "authenticity" in the first place? What would be the point? Why not take things for what they are, "authentic" or otherwise? I can happily enjoy my anglicised Italian foods like pizza and pasta without giving a single solitary shit whether it's the sort of thing that people living in Italy might ever actually eat.

As for people being authentic, I don't think it matters whether one presents their "real" personality online or whether they present some kind of carefully cultivated character. Aside from the fact that a lot of people have secrets, we all ultimately decide our own words and actions, and if someone's words and actions include choosing to be a cunt online, then that someone is exactly who they present themselves to the world to be; a cunt.

I find that most people who seem to be chasing "authenticity" tend to be utter wankers.
 
Do we really *need* to judge "authenticity" in the first place? What would be the point? Why not take things for what they are, "authentic" or otherwise? I can happily enjoy my anglicised Italian foods like pizza and pasta without giving a single solitary shit whether it's the sort of thing that people living in Italy might ever actually eat.

As for people being authentic, I don't think it matters whether one presents their "real" personality online or whether they present some kind of carefully cultivated character. Aside from the fact that a lot of people have secrets, we all ultimately decide our own words and actions, and if someone's words and actions include choosing to be a cunt online, then that someone is exactly who they present themselves to the world to be; a cunt.

I find that most people who seem to be chasing "authenticity" tend to be utter wankers.
That was more or less my point tbh. Authenticity is an illusion, something made up to allow people to imagine their pastime is somehow better than someone else's.
 
The marketing of stuff like Transformative as worth paying a premium for depends on some strange and extremely inauthentic notions. Negative experiences are IMO far, far more truly transformative than fun ones. Having a car or bike accident or losing something important like a job or a spouse or a home or a child are sure as fuck transformative. I'm not sure doing a skydive strapped to someone's belly or white-water rafting somewhere pretty are really as transformative as say a drug overdose or a really good bout of food poisoning or losing a fight.
 
There was a TV prog years ago whose premise was three pairs of people got dropped somewhere extremely remote with almost no money and the first pair to get home were the winners.

I have wondered if anyone offers that kind of thing as An Experience you can buy. I reckon there would be a market for it, but the costs of putting it on safely, and of making sure the participants had no idea where they were when they started, would be massive.
 
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