Exit impact on Northern Ireland

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by ska invita, Jun 25, 2016.

  1. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    This is an interesting read (thanks paul):



    The ex-IRA men: ‘United Ireland? It’s all guff’

     
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  2. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    the irish times a fair and balanced paper

    you may as well believe the mail



    :hmm:
     
  3. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    What do you mean believe? You think the quotes are invented?
     
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  4. stethoscope

    stethoscope Well-Known Member

    I don't believe Butchers made any reference to it being 'a fair and balanced paper'. It's content is an interesting read though, perhaps for someone like you who has mostly posted lazy two liner shit all the way through the EU ref threads.
     
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  5. Red Cat

    Red Cat Well-Known Member

    I thought it was interesting too.
     
  6. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    cross thread beef nice

    it may as well be a British paper so alright it may be an interesting read ...

    but would i take it with a pinch of salt...

    and can be lazy about the EU Ref regardless of the result my country was not leaving the EU

    ;)
     
  7. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    they don't need to play hardball when they hold all the cards and her majesty's government haven't a fucking clue what they're up to.
     
  9. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    doesnt it contradict that long drawn out agreement they pretended to reach in December? The one David Davis masterfully did an interview the next day and said its not worth the paper its written on?
    Im finding it hard to keep up
     
  10. Rosemary Jest

    Rosemary Jest Wrong and Unstable

    See the post above, the government haven't got a clue.
     
  11. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    The Phase 1 agreement in December basically kicked the NI problem into the (not very) long grass. It effectively said ‘we are going to collectively aim to achieve [something that’s not practically possible]”.

    It’s not possible to have no hard border between NI and Eire if Eire is in the Customs Union / Single Market and NI isn’t.

    No Brexiteers have a practical solution to this that I have seen.

    Barnier is only stating the obvious.
     
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  12. marty21

    marty21 One on one? You're crazy.

    A United Ireland seems a practical solution - no border issues then :hmm:
     
  13. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    all these tiny steps and statements aside i think the long term effect of brexit (say 20 years down the line) will be a united ireland. possibly. obviously a lot of water to flow under a lot of bridges before then, but its opened up the possibility in a way that wasnt there before
     
  14. marty21

    marty21 One on one? You're crazy.

    an unexpected benefit of brexit
     
  15. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    well yes, though the fact its unexpected and that no English politicians gave one thought to Northern Ireland ahead of the referendum says everything about the nature of The Union.
     
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  16. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    I'm sure that'll go down a storm with May's political partners :hmm::thumbs:
     
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  17. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

  18. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Driving without headlights

    Would be bloody marvellous if the DUP's choice to prop up May ended up causing an Irish reunification.
     
  19. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    I dunno it's not without risk. How many would die laughing?
     
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  20. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    Considering the calibre and talent of the brexit team we might wake up to discover the the British isles is reunited and now ruled from Dublin:eek::D
     
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  21. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    tbf they hardly gave a thought when the place was in flames and troops were on the ground:facepalm:
     
  22. flypanam

    flypanam “There is no reason for restraint”

    True but they were quite supportive when the troops were killing civilians at checkpoints, as an example Aidan McAnespie 30 years ago this weekend.
     
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  23. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Well, the British Army of occupation is not really very popular, is it?
    I look forward with great joy to when "Great Britain" has to deal with important stuff.
     
  24. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    that was a fuckwitted accident the poor Sod was hit by two ricochets at 300m nobody could pull that shot off deliberately. best guess the woodentop before him fucked up the unload and thenwas a too bone idle to check the gun and then decided to amuse himself by aiming at Mr McAnespie's back.:( pulled the trigger and surprise the gun went off:facepalm:.
     
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  25. PippinTook

    PippinTook Well-Known Member

    The older "ex IRA" people (PIRA) mentioned in The Times newspaper, are not the only republican group with military backgrounds around. With respect to them they don't always know or control everything.
    It would be like asking the 1916 -1922 IRA to control the 1970s PIRA. In other words, the RIRA's right hand doesn't always know what it's left hand is doing. And the older PIRA is perfectly ok with that.
    Not to mention the CIRA or the RCIRA or the INLA.
     
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  26. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    Good point re any just customs union deal, it does not "entirely solve the question of the Irish border, as the proposed customs union would not allow people to travel unhindered, just goods. "
     
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  27. Raheem

    Raheem Well-Known Member

    It wouldn't entirely resolve the border question, but it would stop it from being completely unresolvable in principle.
     
  28. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    I dont follow, can you say more? A border is required to solve the two Brexit-created problems, legal passage of goods and legal passage of people. A customs union only solves one of those problems. I cant see how it makes any difference to the other.
     
  29. Nigel Irritable

    Nigel Irritable Five, Ten, Fifteen Years

    As Ireland is not in Schengen, it’s not hard to conceive of a continuing Irish-British free travel arrangement. Travelers from the rest of the EU already have to go through passport control to get into Ireland. The customs union is the conceptually trickier part.
     
  30. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    I cant picture what you mean.
    Someone from the EU getting in to Ireland is a wave through, but they can then just jump on a ferry to anglesey undetected
     

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