Excellent speech by Brown
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cockneyrebel
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Brown is probably even more new labour than Brown. And the fact is that he has spun his way through the first 100 days, but the fact that he's managed to get a fair chunk of people to think he isn't spinning just shows how good at it he is.
Every Blairite policy Brown was behind it and probably initiated a fair bit of it.
*Sir Digby Jones of the CBI to head up trade, a more right wing anti-union scum bag you couldn't get.
*Even more Tories in key positions in governments to go with the extra Tory MPs he's recruited.
*Pay cuts for the public sector with below inflation 2% offers.
*The removal of the right of conference to discuss emergency resolutions (even Blair didn't go that far).
And it goes on and on........unfortunately, as MC5 and UR have pointed out we can't just wish away the fact that a fair sized layer of people do think Brown is gonna signal a shift towards a more pro-working class leader.
Every Blairite policy Brown was behind it and probably initiated a fair bit of it.
*Sir Digby Jones of the CBI to head up trade, a more right wing anti-union scum bag you couldn't get.
*Even more Tories in key positions in governments to go with the extra Tory MPs he's recruited.
*Pay cuts for the public sector with below inflation 2% offers.
*The removal of the right of conference to discuss emergency resolutions (even Blair didn't go that far).
And it goes on and on........unfortunately, as MC5 and UR have pointed out we can't just wish away the fact that a fair sized layer of people do think Brown is gonna signal a shift towards a more pro-working class leader.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
...and after 10 years of him we'll get David Milliband (for another 10 years) - and everyone will insist in believing he'll be "different" to that nasty Brown... 
Repeat ad-infinitum. People never learn and will fall for the same old trick each time like it's the first.
Repeat ad-infinitum. People never learn and will fall for the same old trick each time like it's the first.
fractionMan
Custom Title
*joins head banging orchestra*
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Brown is terribel ...
He sa stuff I TOTALY disagree with - he is disgrace and bounder. What's more, he change his mind on something he sa years ago, which means he is worse than BLIAR.
The Quene should chope his head off!
He sa stuff I TOTALY disagree with - he is disgrace and bounder. What's more, he change his mind on something he sa years ago, which means he is worse than BLIAR.
The Quene should chope his head off!
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
blah.
blah.
yardbird said:
It sounded like Cameron co-wrote it:
"Middle of the road - blah - low taxation - Britain - prudence - meaningless eco frummery - values - Britishness - blah - punish and prevent - stand up for Britain"
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............
nosos said:
He's writing in Molesworthian style - http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Molesworth
'Reality,' sa molesworth 2, 'is so unspeakably sordid it make me shudder.'" (Whizz for Atomms)
chymaera said:
British drug users are reptariated from other countries all the time. It's certainly legal in the rest of Europe. Germany repatriates non-EU drug users with no fucking about...which is why foreign EU nationals in Germany just get a good kicking from the German old bill if caught. The Dutch won't really do anything to British drug users, but they do a have a program to repatriate British drug users who are vagrants.
MC5 said:
Don't worry, summer will come again!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
ramjamclub said:
This is a joke, right...sorry, I asked that question, no it isn't. 
He described Thatcher as a "conviction politician"...
I noticed that he hasn't invited Major around for tea. I'm not sure Blair did either. I guess that "invite former PMs around for tea and a chat" is a bit of a myth - non?
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
He should invite Blair round for tea. What I'd give to be a fly on the wall for that.
Try some reading
Excerpt from Gordon Brown's acceptance speech on becoming PM.
"I say honestly: I am a conviction politician. My conviction that everyone deserves a fair chance in life. My conviction that each of us has a responsibility to each other. And my conviction that when the strong help the weak, it makes us all stronger.
Call it the driving power of social conscience, call it 'the better angels of our nature', call it 'our moral sense', call it a belief in 'civic duty'. I joined this party as a teenager because I believed in these values. They guide my work, they are my moral compass. This is who I am. And because these are the values of our party too the party I lead must have more than a set of policies – we must have a soul."
full speech
fractionMan said:
Some reading for the orchestra. Might relieve the headache.
Excerpt from Gordon Brown's acceptance speech on becoming PM.
"I say honestly: I am a conviction politician. My conviction that everyone deserves a fair chance in life. My conviction that each of us has a responsibility to each other. And my conviction that when the strong help the weak, it makes us all stronger.
Call it the driving power of social conscience, call it 'the better angels of our nature', call it 'our moral sense', call it a belief in 'civic duty'. I joined this party as a teenager because I believed in these values. They guide my work, they are my moral compass. This is who I am. And because these are the values of our party too the party I lead must have more than a set of policies – we must have a soul."
full speech
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
brown IS blair, pt 2, on the domestic front
i think people find him less irritatingly flash i.e. mistaking substance (identical) for style
i think people find him less irritatingly flash i.e. mistaking substance (identical) for style
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Kaka Tim said:
Ah, but for pols like Brown he's a useful idiot, and he doesn't even have to worry about being under the heel either, sat over in der nederlands.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
nino_savatte said:
He described Thatcher as a "conviction politician"...
Wouldn't you agree she should have had loads of convictions for the shit she pulled?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
ramjamclub said:
Well thats a lovely and heartwamring piece of rhetoric.
However it doesn't really match with mortgaging public services to PFI, introducing a high tech surveilance state and wilful culpability in the death of up to a million people in Iraq.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
nor to diverting zillions of tax money to fatcat pfi/ppp firms pockets in schemes that cost up to 5x more than proposed non-PPP alternatives, which was more his doing than anyone elses; he personally ensured the 1st London mayor would have no choice re; the tube PPPKaka Tim said:
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
a good speech, ramjamclub, might be one that could not easiy be proved to be hot air by the simple application of comparison between the speaker's words and the speakers actions. if that were not the case, the act of pleading not guilty would enough to ensure a not guilty verdict. perhaps there is something in the air in the netherlands that has eroded your critical faculties?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
ViolentPanda said:Wouldn't you agree she should have had loads of convictions for the shit she pulled?
Oh yeah!
I know I am adding to the problem by posting this, but it really makes me angry to see the title of this thread still visible after two days. Only a paid up member of the Labour party could be so naive as to think that Gordon the Ghastly made a good speech at his party conference.
It is just rhetoric, and the reality behind what Brown did as chancellor is evident all around us in the Dissolution of The Welfare State and the handing over of asset-stripped public property in land and buildings along with taxpayer's money to multinational companies who are more powerful than governments.
The game is up Newlabour. People know what you have done. You cannot flannel and lie your way out of it anymore.
It is just rhetoric, and the reality behind what Brown did as chancellor is evident all around us in the Dissolution of The Welfare State and the handing over of asset-stripped public property in land and buildings along with taxpayer's money to multinational companies who are more powerful than governments.
The game is up Newlabour. People know what you have done. You cannot flannel and lie your way out of it anymore.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
i was under the impression that at least in theory polticitions were supposed to be representing the majority people of the country not a select few eleites...ramjamclub said:
propping up the civil service is something which is a required evil and it pales into insignificance when compared to the propping up of say capita or balfour beaty or the like...
what you are arguing for is in essence govermental social abdication of responsiblity....
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
jæd said:So what did Brown get convictions for...?And we all thought the things Tony did where criminal...?
I heard he was nicked for giving some woman the eye.
Popped his glassy orb right out of the socket and handed it to her, frightened the shit out of her!
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