Excellent speech by Brown

[Crispy]

Someone/ Sometimes has got to surprise us - we are about due for it im sure

Due for it? This implies that corruption, lies, self promotion and a lust for power for power's sake are recent aberrations on the otherwise spotless scoresheet of the country's leaders.

 

[agricola]

Brown has more intelligence in his speech which is something your silly little quips can never achieve.

oh dear.

Brown's speech was one of the more hypocritical of recent times, even for a Labour Party conference. I especially liked his comments about "a new kind of politics" in this regard.

 

[Crispy]

Speeches mean shit. Let's see concrete policies and then let's see them carried out competently. Those are the things that politicians hould be judged on.

 

[audiotech]

We can always hope cant we ?

Looks at the last duplitious twat we had - its got to be an improvement ?

hes a politician at the end of the day - but you never know.

Someone/ Sometimes has got to surprise us - we are about due for it im sure

Sadly, you're deluding yourself.

It's the same old, same old, this time with a Scottish accent.

In fact it's likely to get tougher, as we pay for Capitalisms fuck-ups.

 

[zoltan]

Due for it? This implies that corruption, lies, self promotion and a lust for power for power's sake are recent aberrations on the otherwise spotless scoresheet of the country's leaders.

Thats exactly it

Statistically - at some point - one has to come along that may have some moral backbone or sense of value.

we cant have an unbroken succession of twats for all eternity can we ?

 

[zoltan]

Sadly, you're deluding yourself.

It's the same old, same old, this time with a Scottish accent.

In fact it's likely to get tougher, as we pay for Capitalisms fuck-ups.

Please at least leave me with a glimmer of hope.

they cant all be fucks. can they?

 

[ramjamclub]

oh dear.

Brown's speech was one of the more hypocritical of recent times, even for a Labour Party conference. I especially liked his comments about "a new kind of politics" in this regard.

What is he being hypocritical about? Elucidate.

 

[audiotech]

Please at least leave me with a glimmer of hope.

they cant all be fucks. can they?

*tosses glimmer of hope*

Heads, you lose.

 

[Giles]

The reason Brown is trying to keep the public sector wage claims small, is that he is running out of money for the public sector. Through his PFI schemes he now has massive multinational companies like Balfour Beattie and Capita essentially picking up welfare payments from the taxpayer.

Yeah, why on earth did he enter into these ruinously expensive deals? They cost a lot more than if he had just spent the money directly, and they tie hospitals, schools and local councils into years and years of rip-off payments, often for shoddy levels of service, and/or badly designed buildings etc.

It seems to me that the only reason to do this was so that, when he was chancellor, he could TELL everyone that he was staying within some spending target, whilst not actually doing so, because by some financial conjuring trick, the full cost of PFI is not counted as public spending.

So, he has committed billions of pounds of taxpayers money, stretching 20 years into the future, to be wasted on crap PFI deals, just so he could make himself look good during his time as chancellor.

Conviction politician? Bollocks.......

Giles..

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Speeches mean shit. Let's see concrete policies and then let's see them carried out competently. Those are the things that politicians hould be judged on.

I disagree.

Speeches are important. Remember Chancellor of the Exchequer Dennis Healey being forced to announce to the Labour conference that he was going to 'hurt the rich'. If Brown said that kind of thing, people would take great heart.

Instead he blathers on in the New Labour sub-Thatcherite aspiration-speak that means just one thing:

NO CHANGE

 

[agricola]

What is he being hypocritical about? Elucidate.

I wonder whether or not an answer is justified, given your troll-like behaviour.

In case one is, then I would point to his praise for the emergency services, despite being responsible for attacks on the pay and conditions of each; his claims around education, despite PFI putting a millstone around the neck of many schools, and his being part of a government which has brought about organizational chaos within the educational sector (to say nothing of tuition fees); but especially his wish for a new kind of politics, maintaining and strengthening the right to protest, despite being part of a government which banned protests near Parliament, and which is still endeavouring to bring about an ID card system.

 

[agricola]

Yeah, why on earth did he enter into these ruinously expensive deals? They cost a lot more than if he had just spent the money directly, and they tie hospitals, schools and local councils into years and years of rip-off payments, often for shoddy levels of service, and/or badly designed buildings etc.

It seems to me that the only reason to do this was so that, when he was chancellor, he could TELL everyone that he was staying within some spending target, whilst not actually doing so, because by some financial conjuring trick, the full cost of PFI is not counted as public spending.

So, he has committed billions of pounds of taxpayers money, stretching 20 years into the future, to be wasted on crap PFI deals, just so he could make himself look good during his time as chancellor.

Conviction politician? Bollocks.......

Giles..

It is, and it displays how deeply useless the Tories are (though of course they are cut from much the same cloth with regards to the PFI firms) that the immense and deliberate waste of billions of taxpayers money is not thrown back in Brown's face every time he mentions his economic prudence.

 

[urbanrevolt]

Brown gave me the impression that he is sincere and not full of spin
I would vote Labour on the strength of his convictions.

Won't get fooled again by The Who may be an old song but ramjamclub shows that many still will!

Unfortunately, it is not that uncommon- I know a CWU militant who seems to beleive that Brown wants to do well by the workers. May be the looming postal dispute will disabuse him.

Brown was the architect of Blairism and PFI. Good answer agricola

 

[bluestreak]

Brown has more intelligence in his speech which is something your silly little quips can never achieve.

so what, exactly, makes you think that he'll make my life better.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It is, and it displays how deeply useless the Tories are (though of course they are cut from much the same cloth with regards to the PFI firms) that the immense and deliberate waste of billions of taxpayers money is not thrown back in Brown's face every time he mentions his economic prudence.

Bear in mind that the probable reason the tries don't make anything of it is because they're agog with admiration.

 

[Das Uberdog]

 

[Giles]

It is, and it displays how deeply useless the Tories are (though of course they are cut from much the same cloth with regards to the PFI firms) that the immense and deliberate waste of billions of taxpayers money is not thrown back in Brown's face every time he mentions his economic prudence.

A cynic might say that the reason for this is that the Tories know that they would have done exactly the same.....

Giles..

 

[Streathamite]

Hardly, I live in Amsterdam and this gives me a certain objectivity towards British politics.

are you aware that Brown is as responsible - 100% - for new Labour's domestic policies as blair ever was?

 

[nosos]

are you aware that Brown is as responsible - 100% - for new Labour's domestic policies as blair ever was?

In fact over economic policies perhaps significantly more so.

 

[Pol]

He looked O.K. for 5 minutes.
Now just as bad as every single politican that ever went before.
Politics will never work.
EVER.

 

[audiotech]

He looked O.K. for 5 minutes.
Now just as bad as every single politican that ever went before.
Politics will never work.
EVER.

What do you suggest will?

 

[nosos]

Well as, I think, Simon Jenkins said in the times he's adopted an awesome strategy. He says in favour of decentralisation and the empowerment of parliament while systematically doing exactly the opposite. Of course he's a politican so he wouldn't lie

 

[Zeppo]

Ramjam - Brown his convictions. Well how about this for convictions Brown on TV announces 104,000 civil service cuts. His 2% pay limit for the public sector means below inflation pay deals for millions.

For me this will be the second year of a below inflation pay deal. Yeah Brown has convictions - he voted for the war in Iraq. How can u be taken in by his steely jaw etc..

Brown I would not ...if he was on fire.

 

[ramjamclub]

Ramjam - Brown his convictions. Well how about this for convictions Brown on TV announces 104,000 civil service cuts. His 2% pay limit for the public sector means below inflation pay deals for millions.

For me this will be the second year of a below inflation pay deal. Yeah Brown has convictions - he voted for the war in Iraq. How can u be taken in by his steely jaw etc..

Brown I would not ...if he was on fire.

If Brown need to cut the civil service then it's something he feel he has to do. The old labours slavish..propping up of the civil service will not work today.
Britain's economy is better than most other European countries. He has contributed to this as Chancellor. Iraq was in hindsight a mistake. What are your alternatives? Cambell, Cameron?

 

[urbanrevolt]

If Brown need to cut the civil service then it's something he feel he has to do. The old labours slavish..propping up of the civil service will not work today.
Britain's economy is better than most other European countries. He has contributed to this as Chancellor. Iraq was in hindsight a mistake. What are your alternatives? Cambell, Cameron?

Better for who? At whose expense? Better for those who get city bonuses certainly http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2157247,00.html

What are the alternatives is a good question- but he then poses it in terms of if not this shiut politician then two others.

What about organising from the bottom up for militant action to defend jobs/defend services and out of this cpome up with our own alteranatives

Who has more rights French workers or British? Why? Of course in France the bourgeois are also trying to impose flexibility and the French workers' movment is divided which is a weakness

But we need our own alternatives- not just a parade of shit politicians to chose between

 

[Dhimmi]

*bangs head on desk*

*joins in*

Maybe we could start an orchestra...

 

[YoursTruly]

Sadly, you're deluding yourself.

It's the same old, same old, this time with a Scottish accent.

In fact it's likely to get tougher, as we pay for Capitalisms fuck-ups.

It's not the gun that's dangerous, it's the person that uses it!

 

[YoursTruly]

What do you suggest will?

A Pinochet style capitalist junta. Don't worry, we'll be easy on you. You'll get the firing squad as opposed to being chucked out of a plane naked. Call it progressive fascism.

 

[shagnasty]

People comment on these speeches almost as soon as they happen i personally think it needs a few days to consider and wait to see what the other wallies come out with .but must agree his rhetoric does not match his actions

 

[poster342002]

All this goes to proove that, yet again, it's not the shit that people object to eating - it's the plate it's served on. Change the plate and everyone gobbles it up just as eagerly as before.


"You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time - but you can't fool all the the people all of the time", goes the saying. You can, however, fool enough of the people enough of the time it would seem.