ex council estate nurse Tory MP!

[untethered]

Its funny that every time you hear an anti abortionist on telly you immediately think that they have PERSONALLY strengthened the argument FOR abortion simply be being alive

Why limit yourself to hating the unborn when you can hate the born too?

 

[Prince Rhyus]

I'm going to stir up a hornets nest here, but why do some people on the left feel that the working classes owe them a living? Shock horror! Someone from a council estate has gone on to represent the Tories!

People are more complicated than that. As Chris Rock said, on crime he is conservative, on prostitution he is liberal.

The spin that's coming from the Tories is different to what their line was pre-DaveCam. Some social attitudes have changed beyond all recognition - for example compare where we were in the early 1990s when homophobia was institutionalised and people were being kicked out of the armed forces because of their sexuality. Even under a Tory government I couldn't see the country heading back in that direction.

However, some things appear to have changed little - thinking of the George and Nat spat earlier in the week and the largely Etonian front bench.

If people continue to vote for the status quo - even if it's people from run down areas continuing to vote for left candidates or returning left-wing local authorities, then the incentive for them to improve things is reduced if they know that they will automatically be shoed in at each election.

I can see the astonishment of a former nurse from a run-down area representing the Tories on the back of what happened to public services in the 1980s and 1990s, but isn't this a reflection in part of the Labour left taking its core vote for granted, or the left being seen to be on the back foot vis-a-vis the far right? Why is it that (abortion issues aside) someone from a seemingly Labour background moved over to the Tories than moving over to the far left?

 

[Fedayn]

Why limit yourself to hating the unborn when you can hate the born too?

And quite where do you get the idea that anyone pro coice/pro womens right to control their own body/pro abortion rights in any way hate the unborn?!

 

[William of Walworth]

I can see the astonishment of a former nurse from a run-down area representing the Tories on the back of what happened to public services in the 1980s and 1990s,

Does Nadine Dorries represent a working class constituency though? (Not sure of me facts here ... )

 

[untethered]

And quite where do you get the idea that anyone pro coice/pro womens right to control their own body/pro abortion rights in any way hate the unborn?!

I think it was the killing bit that finally persuaded me.

 

[bluestreak]

I think it was the killing bit that finally persuaded me.

Don't be a cunt all your life.

 

[soulman]

Does Nadine Dorries represent a working class constituency though? (Not sure of me facts here ... )

If Mid-Bedfordshire is a working class constituency - http://www.dorries.org.uk/

 

[HackneyE9]

Angles of Marble?

That's gone right over my head....I don't get it.

 

[soulman]

All it says is she grew up on a council estate. That could well have been upto the age of five or whatever. Plus she moved from nursing up the management structure, and is a former director of BUPA. So she left any w/c roots behind a long time ago. Tory bullshit.

 

[Fedayn]

I think it was the killing bit that finally persuaded me.

Yes that obviously means hatred doesn't it?! Do you ever have a day off from being a prick? Or is it a 7 days a week, 52 weeks, 365 days a year occupation?!

 

[trevhagl]

Not dissimilar to Tories like David Davies, John Major, and loads more.

I think you need to think harder and talk to more people about what makes people vote and support the Tories, the better to persuade them to not do so. Do you know any working class Tories?

People like Nadine Dorries are going to be difficult to beat, not least because their political journey was probably more considered and conscious than that of a typical Tory toff.

Believe me i've tried! I work in a progressive set-up and one of my co-workers admits to being a Tory...we have all tried talking sense but he's oblivious to it all.

 

[trevhagl]

I guess to some, politics is just a novelty, and only if the Tories get in and make life hell for the oddballs who vote for em, may they change their voting ways
It's an absolute disgrace for a nurse to sign up to the party that caused most destruction to the NHS and who detest the working class/the poor.

 

[Meltingpot]

She counts Peter Kilfoyle amongst her friends, so I reckon she must have some redeeming features.

 

[butchersapron]

Kilfoyle is corrupt scum. I guess that's what you meant.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Aren't top politicians quite verse though to pulling out the, I was born on a council estate story?

David Davies does it, and Jack Straw gives it the, I grew up on council estate in Brentwood bit.

I know Brentwood, and there are council estates there, but it's hardly the frigging Bronx.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Kilfoyle is corrupt scum. I guess that's what you meant.

I enjoyed his biography Left Behind though

 

[audiotech]

She counts Peter Kilfoyle amongst her friends, so I reckon she must have some redeeming features.

I imagine it's difficult to redeem yourself when you've witchfinder as a friend?

 

[Stroppyoldgit]

I really don't like work of any kind and have changed my relationship to the ownership of capital to make sure I don't have to do very much.

So you're just a fucking thief and parasite, then!

 

[Meltingpot]

I imagine it's difficult to redeem yourself when you've witchfinder as a friend?

I think I'll quit while I'm ahead (or behind)

 

[Gavin Bl]

If you grew up in a working class area before the emergence of the world of mass single parenthood, drug use, etc - its easy to take a conservative view of life, about taking responsibility for your actions, and thinking that Labour are to blame for it all. Plenty of people in areas like that may still vote Labour, but also hold pretty socially conservative views.