Eviction of Spitalfields Market foodstalls

[MullahNasrudin]

Wrongspeed: Why the hell should I 'reveal myself' to you? For a start, I don't have to justify myself to you. Who made you the arbiter of truth or otherwise? Stick to spinning 'tunes'.

Anyway I don't go in the Foundry much on Fridays as it is full to bursting with Hoxton scum since the licensing laws changed. I go to Wormworld on Sundays to heckle bad poets or go in the week to look at the new art in the basement.

RedJezza: FWIW, I don't give a flying Section 6 whether you believe me or not.

The problem with some people in this thread is that they are so closed-minded that their tiny brains that I might (a) be a squatter, (b) know what good food is, and (c) not be concerned for the welfare of some tu'penny ha'penny food stalls that sell crap food.

As for the Trace pics, if you'd bothered reading my postings, I actually said that she looks rough as arseholes when photographed. But when you see her in real life at 10am wearing a fur coat, made up and with loads of gold jewellery, she does look glamourous.

Deal with it or don't.

As for these food stalls -- the original topic -- I bought some satay sticks from one of these places. The chicken was as processed as anything you get at McD's. In other words, bits of random chicken glued together (mechanically recovered) which means much of the protein is lost. In addition, this type of chicken is usually 'tumbled' -- i.e. has pork and beef proteins added. This enables the chicken to absorb more water that it would do normally. Needless to say, adding beef protein to chicken is a potential vector for the transmission of prions -- the disease agent that causes variant CJD aka human BSE.

So this is what you're defending from the rapacious property developers.

 

[liberty]

Just got back from lunch at Spitalfields Market (falaffel, salad & couscous for £2.70 ), and was told by the stallholder that they've all been given a month's notice that they're being evicted.

As some might know, Spitalfields Market has been developed over the last couple of years -- there's now all manner of flash restaurants & boutiques. But no place for the foodstalls, apparently, after 15-odd years. As it stands, they have to be out by mid-August, to be replaced by.......... a Starbucks (when there's one 5 minutes walk away) and a Wetherspoons (when there's one 10 minutes walk away, among other things.

If you live or work round there, I'd get down there, have your lunch & sign their petition.

That's really bad news... Is it the stall holders in the new or old parts?

 

[knopf]

The old bit.

 

[Monkeynuts]

Needless to say, adding beef protein to chicken is a potential vector for the transmission of prions -- the disease agent that causes variant CJD aka human BSE.

Well, only if the prions were present in the beef anyway (which they ought not to be anymore) and you would not otherwise have eaten beef.

Can't say that I have ever eaten there though. Think the 5-a-side courts would constitute a bigger loss. As for the stalls, it is mostly sh1te these days, is it not?

It was a bit of a surprise the other day, though, to see how quickly the new development just off Bishopsgate seemed to have gone up. I wasn't too taken with it. Whilst quite "high quality" it has that same soulless air as Canary Wharf and it is the lack of individual businesses associated with this that people are probably right to object to.

I take your point on Tracy; my own radiance is seldom apparent in photogrpahs either.

 

[Wolveryeti]

Check me and my kerazy lifestyle. Fuck my old boots if I'm not one of Tracey Emin's homies. She even gives me that sexy scowl as I leer at her from behind my paedo-mackintosh.

I don't think you're a squatter either, you sound more like Lloyd Grossman with a garden gnome stuck up your arse.

 

[MullahNasrudin]

I don't think you're a squatter either, you sound more like Lloyd Grossman with a garden gnome stuck up your arse.

I think you've lost the argument by stooping to cheap character asassination.

My vowels may be slightly flat due to my Midlands upbringing, but my fellow Brummie Benjamin Zephaniah has the same affliction. You wouldn't say he sounds like Loyd Grossman surely?

As for the garden gnomes, this abuse of small people must stop. Gnomes are not your playthings to be used in your unhinged fantasies DapperDonDamaja. It sickens me.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Wrongspeed: Why the hell should I 'reveal myself' to you? For a start, I don't have to justify myself to you. Who made you the arbiter of truth or otherwise? Stick to spinning 'tunes'.

Anyway I don't go in the Foundry much on Fridays as it is full to bursting with Hoxton scum since the licensing laws changed. I go to Wormworld on Sundays to heckle bad poets or go in the week to look at the new art in the basement.

heh calm down, i was just trying to be socialable, stay anon that's fine, lookin forward to friday more than ever, "hoxton scum" eh? should be a good wind up evening

(A not unrelated article about public life -strike)

 

[Wolveryeti]

I think you've lost the argument by stooping to cheap character asassination.

Don't shoot the messenger, Lloyd.

p.s. The correct procedure for removing garden-dwelling homunculi from your arse is to use surgical forceps and lots of lube.

p.p.s. Your sauces are quite nice.

 

[pinkychukkles]

An amusing bit of thread banter (so far). Haven't eaten in Spitalfields Market myself but it seems no different to the sort of fayre you would get in Camden Market. It was office-drone & tourist-tastic when I popped there in my lunch hour last week (I'm a day-time office drone as well, I like to think I become someone more interesting in the evenings but that's not always happening at the moment), haven't been there for years but the hybrid-structure has made Spitalfields lose alot of it's charm but The City Pound needs to stretch it's legs somewhere, that's 'progress' for you.

 

[pinkmonkey]

Had one takeaway from the food stalls - it was quite nice, ok, Fay Maschler wouldn't wet her knickers over it, but still nice. I prefer that place that sells the Irish steak sarnies though - lush.

 

[kyser_soze]

Last time I was there was before going to a dance thingy...umm..BinglyBongly! That was it...anyway, I remember checking out the feed and local shops and suchlike and while there were a few gems, I remember the food as being mediocre at best and most of the shops/stalls selling antique 1960s furniture and similar fripperies - basically the market and stuff on sale there didn't strike me as a 'valuable local resource'.

I've signed several petitions about the building work at Spitalfields because it's a fucking architectural gem being ruined, but WRT the stall holders...not too sure TBH.

And welcome, bienvenue, wilkommen to MullahNasrudin

 

[MullahNasrudin]

And welcome, bienvenue, wilkommen to MullahNasrudin

Fan of Cabaret are we?

 

[MullahNasrudin]

Don't shoot the messenger, Lloyd.

Why are you so afraid of Loyd anyway DapperDonDamaja? Are you afraid that he might come round your house for Through The Keyhole?

"So let's look again at the evidence. The piles of A4 pads with endless biro drawings of Tupac with DapperDonDamaja 4 Eva tattooed on his chest. The jars of dead flies and milk bottles filled with piss. The rain damaged porn mags lovingly retrieved from railway sidings. The graffiti about ass-fucking gnomes painted on the walls in shit. Who lives in a house like this? David, it's over to you."

Hey, don't shoot the messenger!

 

[Sean]

ps - re: tayyabs - frankly thats slipping down the pan now since the refurb - now that everybodies heard of it - at least the foods still good. for years and years it was my little secret grumble, grumble, moan moan

The "I prefer the early singles" syndrome. Bah humbug - it's still great and you can even get a seat these days. We go at lunchtime with the kids and the food is still the best of any curry house we've ever been to.

As for Spitalfields, the only decent food I've sampled there was that square pie stuff and it was alright, but creeping gentrification's always shit, so I can't say I'll be happy to see the dodgy noodle sellers go however crap their food was.

 

[rich!]

The illuminati on the other hand go to Dalston. So mote it be.

Nah: somewhere in Haringey. Haven't you seen the council logo?

(besides: it has *Hollis*)

 

[MullahNasrudin]

Hackney Illuminati

Nah: somewhere in Haringey. Haven't you seen the council logo?

But various parts of Hackney were one owned by the Knights Templar, the logistics arm of the illuminati. Temple Mills and St. Augustines Tower still remain.

Haringey's logo is much more recent, with the thunderflash swastika inspired by TV transmissions from Ally Pally. Although I will concede that the rising sun in the background is a bit 'Heute die Welt, morgens das Sonnensystem!'

 

[hammerntongues]

Its just been too succesfull for its own good .Back in the late eighties early nineties before they developed the front end of the site you could hire out the whole place for 5 -a-side football tournaments or play on the 4 or 5 badminton courts , underground were a myriad of tunnels and chambers that were originally used as storage for fruit but were turned into dozens of individual studios , a good friend had a recording studio down in the depths and I can remember a few nights we would stagger up into the daylight after allnight sessions and head toward The Market Cafe for breakfast ( Gilbert and George`s then favourite). They were all kicked out eventually in spite of long drawn out legal battles and petitions and the same will surely happen again.
a lot of the area was run down and shitty now its glitsy and vibrant , I have mixed feelings but try not to get nostalgic .
Brick lane on the other hand wouldnt touch with a bargepole , nowadays it has turned into a "theme street" its lost the plot completely nasty tacky shit hole .

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Only poor unlovable Peckham appears immune.

why unlovable nothing wrong with peckham.

 

[MullahNasrudin]

why unlovable nothing wrong with peckham.

Open your eyes man*, it's a shithole. Although the Antony Gormley street furniture is cool.



*Apols if you're a woman.

 

[gaijingirl]

Open your eyes man*, it's a shithole. Although the Antony Gormley street furniture is cool.



*Apols if you're a woman.

I really like Peckham. I like the old canal walk from the square up to Burgess Park where the travellers keep their horses (until recently) - one horse had a foal a couple of months ago and families would come and feed them apples and carrots.

I like Peckham Rye and its markets.

I like the fact that it has so many different kinds of streets, from hideous estates to old period houses but all mingled (much like anywhere else in London I guess).

I think it has a lot going for it. I know many people who live there from all walks of life and "classes" who love living there - including my parents in law.

Of course it's not as trendy as some areas of London... but personally I would say that's a blessing in disguise.

My parents-in-law moved there this year having moved to a succession of places over the last 40 years in London - all of which were "shitholes" in the eyes of some - all of which ended up being enormously fashionable and expensive places to live - Islington, Ladbroke Grove, Notting Hill etc. All of which lost some of their appeal (for them anyway). I hope that Peckham doesn't change too quickly - but I imagine, like anywhere else so central it will.

BTW... the I love Peckham festival is on soon:

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/DiscoverSouthwark/EventsSection/whatson/ILovePeckham.html

Added to that, I would say it's much easier to live on £50 a week in Peckham and visit its markets than spending one's much reduced (formerly highly paid IT professional) wonga at Borough Market although you may not get to hang out with Tracy Emin. You might however get to hang out with the next Tracy Emin - plenty of art students in the area.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Open your eyes man*, it's a shithole. Although the Antony Gormley street furniture is cool.

this is just troll talk and evading the basic problem of corporate takeover and London's spaces.

 

[MullahNasrudin]

Well I lived in South London for over five years and spent a fair amount of time in Peckham, so I think I have some insight.

The area is full of artists because Hackney has become too expensive as a result of the Olympics. Whitechapel & Hoxton gentrification has also driven artists south to areas like Deptford.

You can't convince me no matter how hard you try that Peckham has any of the vibrancy of say Brixton. There's nothing like Jamm or the Windmill in Peckham, for example. If there is, please enlighten us all.

Nunhead Cemetary and One Tree Hill are the only notable parts of an area that is otherwise a toilet.

 

[MullahNasrudin]

this is just troll talk and evading the basic problem of corporate takeover and London's spaces.

If you would read the postings thoroughly, you would see that my original point was that Peckham has evaded gentrification up until now. Perhaps this is attributable to the fact that it is, by and large, a shithole.

And just bringing things back to the thread title, I argued that food vendors selling highly processed junk food like reformed chicken (no better than McDs nuggets) to Sunday tourists aren't really serving the community. Funnily enough no one took me up on that point, instead preferred to accuse me of 'evading corporate takeover'.

It's not just the corporates you need to worry about...your local friendly food stall is happy to sell you down the river for a cheap buck.

 

[gaijingirl]

The area is full of artists because Hackney has become too expensive as a result of the Olympics. Whitechapel & Hoxton gentrification has also driven artists south to areas like Deptford.

.

We only won the olympic bid last year... it hasn't been that quick a transformation. Peckham and Deptford have long had artists in the area because of Camberwell College of Arts and Goldsmiths as opposed to some kind of dropout rate from Whitechapel & Hoxton.

 

[MullahNasrudin]

We only won the olympic bid last year... it hasn't been that quick a transformation. Peckham and Deptford have long had artists in the area because of Camberwell College of Arts and Goldsmiths as opposed to some kind of dropout rate from Whitechapel & Hoxton.

I'll concede that...Deptford has the Laban Centre etc.

But Peckham is still a toilet.

 

[Monkeynuts]

...Peckham has evaded gentrification up until now. Perhaps this is attributable to the fact that it is, by and large, a shithole.

Suggest you take a look at the Choumert Rd/Chadwick Rd/Lyndhurst Grove area next time you get the chance. You mentioned the Gormley furniture so you are presumably not totally unfamiliar with the area but this area is, I would venture, quite gentrified by any measure.

The place is on the whole quite untidy thanks to the old Lutfwaffe/local government redevelopment partnership and a deprivd local community but has a lot of good architecture sprinkled in. Overall, is it any worse than e.g. Bethnal Green? Probably not, to be honest.

Generally areas with a lot of post-war local authority housing prove more resistant to gentrification than those with a lot of homogeneous, neglected but basically attractive Victorian or Georgian buildings.

Perhaps you would care to come up with another area with a similar amount of local authority housing which is in your eyes an attractive community that shows Peckham in a particularly bad light?

Or perhaps you are just a clueless snobby twat?

 

[gaijingirl]

Suggest you take a look at the Choumert Rd/Chadwick Rd/Lyndhurst Grove area next time you get the chance. You mentioned the Gormley furniture so you are presumably not totally unfamiliar with the area but this area is, I would venture, quite gentrified by any measure.

The place is on the whole quite untidy thanks to the old Lutfwaffe/local government redevelopment partnership and a deprivd local community but has a lot of good architecture sprinkled in. Overall, is it any worse than e.g. Bethnal Green? Probably not, to be honest.

Generally areas with a lot of post-war local authority housing prove more resistant to gentrification than those with a lot of homogeneous, neglected but basically attractive Victorian or Georgian buildings.

Perhaps you would care to come up with another area with a similar amount of local authority housing which is in your eyes an attractive community that shows Peckham in a particularly bad light?

Or perhaps you are just a clueless snobby twat?

Don't bother... Mullah has already made it clear that without the "vibrancy" of clubs such as Jamm or The Windmill, an area is worthless - or "a toilet".

"You can't convince me no matter how hard you try that Peckham has any of the vibrancy of say Brixton. There's nothing like Jamm or the Windmill in Peckham, for example. If there is, please enlighten us all."

Never mind that even in Brixton there are many many people living here who couldn't care less about Jamm or The Windmill - or that Peckham is a home to many people who choose to live there despite the lack of such "vibrancy".

But to be fair.. I don't suppose anyone in Peckham is in mourning over their failure to attract the Mullah Nasrudins of this world.

 

[Monkeynuts]

Nunhead Cemetary and One Tree Hill are the only notable parts of an area that is otherwise a toilet.

Your professed expertise is somewhat undermined by the fact that One Tree Hill is in Honor Oak / Forest Hill and that Nunhead cemetery is in... Nunhead.

However, schoolboy errors of geography notwithstanding, I don't see this as supporting your argument in that once these two features are removed, there is nothing of merit in Peckham - rather that you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Your knowledge of the area is quite deficient to pronounce on it in any respect. You have made yourself look foolish, so do toddle on - perhaps go play with Tracey, eh.

 

[MullahNasrudin]

Or perhaps you are just a clueless snobby twat?

Er, that one.

 

[MullahNasrudin]

Your professed expertise is somewhat undermined by the fact that One Tree Hill is in Honor Oak / Forest Hill and that Nunhead cemetery is in... Nunhead.

However, schoolboy errors of geography notwithstanding, I don't see this as supporting your argument in that once these two features are removed, there is nothing of merit in Peckham - rather that you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Your knowledge of the area is quite deficient to pronounce on it in any respect. You have made yourself look foolish, so do toddle on - perhaps go play with Tracey, eh.

Well I couldn't find anything of note in Peckham, so Nunhead has to do I suppose. Peckham, Nunhead, Forest Hill...it's all the same innit?