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>>EUROMAYDAY 2005 - LONDON :: SUNDAY MAY 1st

montevideo said:
The point is there is not wrong or right way. They embraced any & all methods in their struggle against capitalism. This is the tradition we also embrace.

Not the opinions they hold but the idea that those opinions & their methods are 'correct' this highlights the arrogance of either youth &/or middle class upbringing.

Well, leaving aside the fact that it's hypocrisy of the first water for Monte of all people to claim that he himself acts on the basis outlined above, given that most of his posts on here consist of crude attacks on other individuals or groups for what he sees as their motivations, politics, activity, analysis etc (usually not directed at those things of course, but the pindividuals appearance or some other irrelavancy) or that others should do so, he's simply wrong.

There are effective ways of doing things and there are ways that are fuck-witted and counter-productive - and free criticism of both of these things has always been a central part of anarchism. Criticising actions or analysis without having the power to impose or enforce changes on others from without is not demanding that others do as you wish. It's making clear where, with what and why you diasgree - a bit more of that type of interaction may create open debate where any problems may be thrashed out. Instead of this shit.

Just insulting people, then demanding that others don't criticise your own group whilst simulataneously demanding freedom of criticism of all others for yourself doesn't. All it does it show up the gaps and contradictions in your own approach.
 
kropotkin said:
Ah, I see.

So criticism of particular methods of working is fine when you do it, but when others do it of your group it becomes something different- criticism becomes demands that you work differently, even questioning of your anarchist credentials. I see now, cheers.

not quite. With us & wsm/dgn we were both part of the same subjectivity, distinct from the outside objective forces (those designed to divide & conflate) - the irish mainstream media, state agencies, the nexus of violence/non-violence leading to 'ownership' of demonstrations. The disagreements then were not based on who has the 'proper' version of their particular anarchism but how we resolved, collectively, the dilemma of our different approaches towards these outside forces. Of course it is that very process that brings groups together, where understanding & trust are established in spite of these differences.

That is slightly different from constructing an objective abstract concept, ascribing certain terms & conditions to that concept then presenting it as 'proper' anarchism, denegrating those who don't share those same conditions as not 'proper' anarchists.
 
butchersapron said:
Well, leaving aside the fact that it's hypocrisy of the first water for Monte of all people to claim that he himself acts on the basis outlined above, given that most of his posts on here consist of crude attacks on other individuals or groups for what he sees as their motivations, politics, activity, analysis etc (usually not directed at those things of course, but the pindividuals appearance or some other irrelavancy) or that others should do so, he's simply wrong.

There are effective ways of doing things and there are ways that are fuck-witted and counter-productive - and free criticism of both of these things has always been a central part of anarchism. Criticising actions or analysis without having the power to impose or enforce changes on others from without is not demanding that others do as you wish. It's making clear where, with what and why you diasgree - a bit more of that type of interaction may create open debate where any problems may be thrashed out. Instead of this shit.

Just insulting people, then demanding that others don't criticise your own group whilst simulataneously demanding freedom of criticism of all others for yourself doesn't. All it does it show up the gaps and contradictions in your own approach.

a beautiful piece of authentic jargon smeared in the bullshit ususally reserved for your crude attacks on leftist party hacks.

The insults come after the bullshit not the other way round.

Give me your 'effective ways of doing things', give me how they succeeded give an example of what you do, anything. The question is then counter-productive to what? Who decides it's counter-productive?
 
Monte - it's clear to everyone reading this thread I'm sure already that you're talking absolute rubbish.

I don't even know why but I will respond to this

montevideo said:
That is slightly different from constructing an objective abstract concept, ascribing certain terms & conditions to that concept then presenting it as 'proper' anarchism, denegrating those who don't share those same conditions as not 'proper' anarchists.
That is exactly what *you* have done. Claim that we are not proper anarchists, but are "self-styled anarchists", "authoritarian/middle management anarchists", "self-styled libertarian marxists" or "anarchist hairdressers".

We have never criticised you on the grounds that you aren't an anarchist. You are, but that doesn't mean I don't think your politics are a pile of shite - as is much of modern anarchism.
 
icepick said:
Monte - it's clear to everyone reading this thread I'm sure already that you're talking absolute rubbish.

I don't even know why but I will respond to this


That is exactly what *you* have done. Claim that we are not proper anarchists, but are "self-styled anarchists", "authoritarian/middle management anarchists", "self-styled libertarian marxists" or "anarchist hairdressers".

We have never criticised you on the grounds that you aren't an anarchist. You are, but that doesn't mean I don't think your politics are a pile of shite - as is much of modern anarchism.

fair enough. And i'm very mistrustful of your motivations & agenda. Call it instinct. You pass off an abundance of gossip as factual information.
 
Is monty really an anarchist. I know that he is not a social anarchist or lib soc or anarcho syndicalist but surely there is a boundary to what an anarchist is?
 
Chuck Wilson said:
Is monty really an anarchist. I know that he is not a social anarchist or lib soc or anarcho syndicalist but surely there is a boundary to what an anarchist is?

a working class anarchist apparently, with a chip on his shoulder.
 
montevideo said:
fair enough.
So I take it you'll now end this ridiculous line of attack?
And i'm very mistrustful of your motivations & agenda. Call it instinct. You pass off an abundance of gossip as factual information.
Not true - like my (entirely accurate) statement above about the WSM which you claimed initially was a lie - did you ask Raw about it?

I'm sure an apology is now forthcoming. Unless of course you just try to ignore it. Or just lie again of course.
 
icepick said:
So I take it you'll now end this ridiculous line of attack?

Not true - like my (entirely accurate) statement above about the WSM which you claimed initially was a lie - did you ask Raw about it?

I'm sure an apology is now forthcoming. Unless of course you just try to ignore it. Or just lie again of course.

ah rumour boy your gossip is almost amusing. Did anyone talk to you about anything. Of course not. Shit-stirring really is a full time occupation for you isn't it...
 
montevideo said:
ah rumour boy your gossip is almost amusing. Did anyone talk to you about anything. Of course not. Shit-stirring really is a full time occupation for you isn't it...
lol :D

Get Raw to deny it then - go on.
 
monte said:
they've all gone & the computer it was one has died. (I am trying to put another version out on a diferent computer).

when it does come out i'd appriciate you letting me know, you can pm me here...


icepick said:
Well why did some of you come back and start spreading shit about the WSM afterwards?

Who cares?
Have any of ye ever met in person? Is this an argument that's spilled over from real life or is it an example of why people should try and be polite on bulletin boards? (because otherwise arguments in the virtual world spill over into the real world / people who have plenty of better things to be doing end up spending lots of time in meaningless website arguments)
 
montevideo said:
go away you poisonous little specimen. You know shit, you spread shit & you have a dire sense of you own significance.
Gossip elsewhere.
That's a bit harsh, especially considering that what he's saying is entirely true.
 
suckola said:
when it does come out i'd appriciate you letting me know, you can pm me here...




Who cares?
Have any of ye ever met in person? Is this an argument that's spilled over from real life or is it an example of why people should try and be polite on bulletin boards? (because otherwise arguments in the virtual world spill over into the real world / people who have plenty of better things to be doing end up spending lots of time in meaningless website arguments)

I've got stray pages flying about, but i'll have a dig around & see if i can find a whole copy.

We've had 4 years of icepick spreading his shit, since in fact he came to a couple of wombles meeting & has spent forever more amassing a casefile of half-imagined second-hand rumours. The kind of playground gossip that turns into mythology. A one man smear campaign if you will. His motives are as yet unclear & the only real danger is that people actually take him at face value.

Anyway mayday. If people want to get involved with the euromayday action email: [email protected] with your mobile phone number
or call 07944 135 617 before midday on may 1st.

From the euromayday leaflet:

As the nature of work has changed, so has our resistance & relationship towards it. Work created massive communities of people in the same industry, location, & class. There was a collective awareness to our struggle when we were forced to work harder, longer or not at all. The strength of that resistance in the past has pushed the bosses to casualise our work, de-skill us, re-train us, put us on the new deal, & generally change the type & nature of work to produce a more divided, atomised & isolated workforce. A workforce stripped of identity as producers, with no union, no permanence, no dignity. Our memories of collective resistance have been purposely submerged to stop us regrouping & recognising our power. But for every restructuring of capitalism we are forced to undergo, there is always a consistent struggle against it & beyond it.

On May 1st, across Europe tens of thousands of causalised workers, temps, part-timers, immigrants & unemployed will be taking back their time, their products, their rights and their money. Taking back what is ours (Re-appropriation) is one form our struggle could take, but supporting each other in and outside work is paramount. Mayday is one day, but the network we are trying to build will be continue after the day. If you are in or out of work & want support then get in contact with us & together see what’s possible.
 
Good luck with the action Monty... Don't worry about the yoof on these boards, they're not out of their shorts yet, nor old enough to have consciousness. :D
 
Latest news?

No doubt the folks on this thread will be busying themselves about right now but has anyone got any info on how the days events are progressing?
 
Well it looks like it went how a billion other demos have gone before (bunch of people turn up, mill around, cops arrive, shove people around for no good reason, people continue to mill around till everyone gets bored) but there's probably more to it than that.

Some interesting discussion here , and full marks for the fucking nice banner, I must say.
 
euroMAYDAY: London Report

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Yesterday, Sunday 1st of May saw the first EuroMayday action happen in London. Organised by the precarity network, our aim was to bring together people in London who have precarious working and living situations. In the UK, 30% of people of working age, are in temp, casual, part-time, freelance work or unemployed. Many of us are not represented by the traditional hierarchical, bureaucratic structure of trade unions, and we felt Mayday, international workers day, should be a day for us too – to come together, to reclaim our public space and take back our free time from the tyranny of 24/7 constantly on-call, work regimes.

We chose Tesco supermarket as the location for our Mayday action because as the UK’s largest supermarket, with over £2 billion profits in the last year, Tesco is at the forefront of exploitative work practices on a global scale, paying new supermarket employees below minimum wage (rising to only just above minimum wage after several months), cutting Sunday pay (so Sunday becomes a normal working day), and stopping employees sick pay. Not only this, but those packing Tesco’s own brand salads in Sussex were recently revealed to be migrants working for a temping agency controlled by gangmasters, who are paid far below min. wage (sometimes not at all); and women casual workers on Tesco-accredited farms in South Africa work in appalling conditions with no protection from pesticides & are paid poverty wages to meet ‘flexible’ just-in-time production schedules, and keep profits at a maximum.

However, we don’t just work for global chains like Tesco, but we are consumers too – if we want food to eat there is a decreasing amount of choice besides big supermarket chains, as their ‘metro’s & ‘express’ stores swallow up our inner cities, their hypermarkets expand the edges of our towns, until huge chains dominate our lives, landscapes and public space entirely, mirroring the way capitalism now encroaches into every part of our lives. Our idea was to make a communication action with people both working and shopping in Tesco, and to do this in Hackney, away from the sterile commercial centre of London and outside of the controlled & ritualistic atmosphere of an A to B march.

The location for action was kept secret until the last minute, and in the weeks leading up to Mayday, we collected over 750 mobile phone numbers for a mass text out on the morning of the action. Such secrecy was necessary because of police tactics on previous Maydays, but we wanted the action to be as public and open as possible, hence the attempts to collect as many numbers as possible through posters & the distribution of over 10,000 leaflets & special ‘London for free’ vouchers. Unfortunately, on the morning of the action our SMS email account was frozen (not sure if this was bureaucracy, crap technology or something more sinister!), but we still eventually managed to send texts to over 500 people (sorry to anyone who got it too late or not at all, we worked really hard to try and communicate with as many of you as we could – & we learnt how to do it better next time).

By midday people were starting to make their way to the 2 meet-up points of Highbury & Bethnal Green where small but aggressive contingents of cops where met by those who were determined to make their way to the action in Hackney central. At Highbury particularly, the level of trust, co-ordination and solidarity between people who were previously strangers was pretty amazing, as the 60 or so people assembled managed to break though police lines and barriers and free-ride the train down to Hackney, and weather the punches and kicks from police to get off the train and run in unison down the road to the supermarket.

The action in Tesco began at around 1.15pm when a group of activists already in the area made their way into the supermarket accompanied by a samba band. The band began playing and dancing round the aisles while hundreds of ‘the story about Tesco’ leaflets and Mayday ‘London for Free’ vouchers were given out to staff and shoppers, and speeches were made over a megaphone. A huge banner reading ‘all we have to lose is our chainstores…’ was unfurled, spanning the 20 or so checkouts. Shoppers danced and checkout staff stood up & took photos with their mobile phones. The initial cops on the scene were only a couple of community cops, who stood around not knowing what to do. Several of the staff expressed support for the action, and were aware that the action was in solidarity with them, although the manager initially panicked and tried to close the store.

After about 15 minutes the Highbury contingent arrived, running into Tesco blowing whistles, closely followed by loads of cops who were ready to get heavy. The cops initially made a futile attempt to cordon people in an aisle, then resorted to dragging, punching and kicking people (particularly women) out of the store & trying to smash up the sound system. However, we were helped by at least one Tesco security guard trying to pull police off people, and many shoppers and staff expressed shock and disbelief at the violence of police actions.

Out in the car park, we were met by the Bethnal Green group (who walked all the way after police stopped the bus) and loads more latecomers, and some members of the public managed to take full advantage of the disruption to normal shopping, and liberate goods from the store (helped by police not letting them back in to pay for stuff!). Holding the banner across the car park, our plan was to all parade down Mare street towards London Fields and have a party in the park. However, the police had other ideas. As we took the street next to the supermarket, police violently began to assault a samba dancer and others; and as we went to their rescue, they made a cordon around some people, later dragging others into the cordon. We were there for over an hour, but our spirits were high due to the continued solidarity of those on the outside shouting support and throwing us water and food, and by passers by shouting at the cops and cars hooting in support of us.

We eventually (still surrounded by police and vans) managed our march down Mare street to London Fields and into the park. But even inside the park, the cops still wanted trouble and some scuffles broke out with several people arrested. But we remained together and with support from people in the park (including a cricket team), we gathered to chant ‘go home scum’ & ‘get out of our park’ to the cops until they left; and we ended the afternoon as we’d hoped, all together, the band playing, a bit bruised but enjoying the sunshine and our Mayday celebrations.

The police will always attempt to stop Mayday and any other action we do, and continually attempt to destroy the movements we try to create. What is important is how we react and resist their repression, and to never give up. Mayday this year was a great example of people acting together in solidarity in the face of police aggression, and of our continued determination to take our struggle to the streets and communicate with people. As ever, the struggle continues…


*Pictures: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/05/310480.html

*9 people were arrested & several people intend to make complaints of assault against the police. If you witnessed any arrests, or police assaults on people, please contact Legal Defense & Monitoring Group: [email protected]

*Keep posted for future flexmob actions: www.precarity.info
*To find out what happened on EuroMayday in other cities, see: www.globalproject.info :: www.euromayday.org
*There will be a discussion evening about precarity on Wednesday 25th May, from 5.30pm at Institute for Autonomy, 76-78 Gower Street, WC1.
*We hold a fortnightly Helpdesk (on Tuesdays at 6pm – next one 10th May) to create a network of mutual support for people in precarious work & housing, at the Institute for Autonomy. For details see www.precarity.info/info.htm
 
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