cats hammers
Libcomist
I don't know where you come up with this stuff Monte. Genius. I'm beat.
>>EUROMAYDAY 2005 - LONDON :: SUNDAY MAY 1st
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montevideo
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catch said:
putting on gigs or in a band? So you prioritise. What's most important to you at this time is doing gigs rather than doing 'community politics'. This is fine. I'm not going to criticise you for considering how best to spend your energy.
Just a little aside why do you think i used the term nirvana rather than say, goal, objective, aim or indeed purpose?
Because of your class background (& indeed all the anarchist hairdressers) you can only see & relate to The Working Class as an outside, objective force, something that happens over there, & your 'postive' contribution can only be in terms of enthusiastic onlooker, or preaching from your 'elevated' position.
I quite like the idea of doing something on mayday. But what time should I turn up in london? I live more than an hour away so can't just wait for my text message. Do I need to be there from like 1am waiting for a text? and what if im completley the wrong side of london?
So an admission that there is more in this person's life than just "politics" imples they are not committed enough? This is lifestylism of the worst variety. So I have a job- therefore I have "prioritised"? Or I choose to be in a loving relationship, so I have "prioritised" love over the Struggle?
You are an idiot.
Because it allows you to smear the people arguing with you instead of engaging with them critically?
1. Can we get this straight- who are the Anarchist Hairdressers? Are they an amorphous group who include all who disagree with your politics, or are they strictly defined? Your usage so far implies it is the collective who run enrager- ergo this includes me.
2. Given that you have made a totalising assertion about this group, that all within it have a particular class background, I can only assume that it is in your head a defined group. How on earth do you presume to know the class background of these people?
3. Please elaborate as to this class background- and your class analysis in general (preferably without quoting EP Thompson). The implication here is that you have a three-class analysis (how else can these people be 'outside' the working class?).
montevideo
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kropotkin said:
Interesting.
But one thing, i can't define class without using thompson's model but it's okay for the anarchist hairdressers to define class using marx's model? As i've said before i can't find a better description of what class is than thompson's & i certainly can't express it better, similar but not better.
You consider yourself middle class. How do you know this? There are many classes of people, marx i think described 5 in his time. I look upon middle class people with a disengaged rage (tempered over time) but still find the type of middle class people who seek to tell me what is & what is not the correct method in how working class people should liberate themselves utterly nauseating. These people i choose to call the anarchist hairdressers.
Mayday is a celebration of Spring, fertility, flowers, dancing round maypoles.
What is the oldest religion of this land.....Pagans........ maybe mayday is not a Pagan festival precisely but it was celebrated before The Industrial Revolution.....when the country folk were herded into the towns to live and work in miserable slums.
The Police quite enjoy a day out running round the city.....it gives them the chance to practise new tactics, get double over time, sing songs in the coaches....which they park alongside Kings Cross on the way home they sip a few tins and enjoy their day out.
They try to work as teams, run in formation, disperse crowds and get to wear their latest new clobber. I think it's funny to watch them running with all their gadgets clanking about their belts. They are all shapes and sizes and some look very unfit with pasty skin as if most are stuck in offices for months on end.
Mayday should be a carnival....a celebration of Spring and if other countries have the day of as a Public Holiday then why not us?
What is the oldest religion of this land.....Pagans........ maybe mayday is not a Pagan festival precisely but it was celebrated before The Industrial Revolution.....when the country folk were herded into the towns to live and work in miserable slums.
The Police quite enjoy a day out running round the city.....it gives them the chance to practise new tactics, get double over time, sing songs in the coaches....which they park alongside Kings Cross on the way home they sip a few tins and enjoy their day out.
They try to work as teams, run in formation, disperse crowds and get to wear their latest new clobber. I think it's funny to watch them running with all their gadgets clanking about their belts. They are all shapes and sizes and some look very unfit with pasty skin as if most are stuck in offices for months on end.
Mayday should be a carnival....a celebration of Spring and if other countries have the day of as a Public Holiday then why not us?
Have to agree with some of montevideo's comments that this all does reek of a certain kind of bollocks. I was merely suggesting a few security principles and have been parodied and mis-represented so bollocks to all these so-called libertarians who want to play around pretending that their shitty generalisations can help anyone else. Of course its better to do fuck all because the time is not quite right, and if you do decide to do something to have no consideration for the risks that you may be putting yourself or anyone else under, but anyways you aren't really doing anything because some theorising has convinced yourself its best to wait.
cats hammers
Libcomist
montevideo said:
Whereas you relate to the working class by being voluntarily unemployed, voluntarily squatting and attempting to rouse the masses by photoshopping pictures of gorillas.
bypassing all the bullshit nit picking and typical argumentative bollocks.
just going to point out that this mayday stuff is happening in
Birmingham.
Manchester
Liverpool
and no doubt a few other places to
so there ya go.bit of a choice for those who dont wanna do the london ting
and were on page 3 of a mayday thread and no one yet has mentioned the Haymarket Martyrs*.
so fuck ya.
im more anarchist than yow
*tho in all seriousness, surely a drink or two for those who weve lost aye, put the fighting to one side for the day and just remember who the real enemy is.
just going to point out that this mayday stuff is happening in
Birmingham.
Manchester
Liverpool
and no doubt a few other places to
so there ya go.bit of a choice for those who dont wanna do the london ting
and were on page 3 of a mayday thread and no one yet has mentioned the Haymarket Martyrs*.
so fuck ya.
im more anarchist than yow
*tho in all seriousness, surely a drink or two for those who weve lost aye, put the fighting to one side for the day and just remember who the real enemy is.
Er... the SWP?Kidda said:
"If you think that by hanging us you can stamp out the labour movement . . . the movement from which the downtrodden millions, the millions who toil in misery and want, expect salvation - if this is your opinion, then hang us! Here you will tread on a spark, but there and there, behind you -- and in front of you, and everywhere, flames blaze up. It is a subterranean fire. You cannot put it out."
- A. Spies
www.enrager.net/history/articles/mayday-haymarket-martyrs/
montevideo
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kropotkin said:
you haven't answered the questions at all kropotkin. Try again.
montevideo said:
Yes, I have two part-time jobs and I'm self-employed as a musician, so three jobs really. I think that's a reasonable use of my time.
The Parisian sections were run by people working 9, 10, 14 hour days. Professional activism simply disassociates yourself from any kind of day-to-day reality that most people experience.
Not sure, trying to liven up otherwise dull and insightless posts?
Please, Monte, please tell me what you've managed to ascertain about my class background from my posts on Urban75 and enrager.net. There's just about enough information on here to get a ballpark Marxian/sociological class definition. What's my class background then?
What's that. You still talking to me?
is it just me or is this one of the stupidest internet arguments ever*? round and round we go and noboy's even pretending that there's an actual effort to resolve positions or come to some kind of shared understanding or anything...
*i have heard of a stupider argument in the real world:
three irish anarchists sitting around a table and a mostly empty at this stage bottle of whiskey
drunken anarchist 1: but how can you be proud to be irish?
drunken anarchist 2: i just fucking am
drunken anarchist 3: but how, thats stupid
drunken anarchist 2: i just am, you're stupid
drunken anarchist 1:but how? thats stupid!
and so on, and on and on and on
see, not even funny, just stupid
*i have heard of a stupider argument in the real world:
three irish anarchists sitting around a table and a mostly empty at this stage bottle of whiskey
drunken anarchist 1: but how can you be proud to be irish?
drunken anarchist 2: i just fucking am
drunken anarchist 3: but how, thats stupid
drunken anarchist 2: i just am, you're stupid
drunken anarchist 1:but how? thats stupid!
and so on, and on and on and on
see, not even funny, just stupid
Main Street
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Kidda said:bypassing all the bullshit nit picking and typical argumentative bollocks.
just going to point out that this mayday stuff is happening in
Birmingham.
Manchester
Liverpool
and no doubt a few other places to
so there ya go.bit of a choice for those who dont wanna do the london ting
and were on page 3 of a mayday thread and no one yet has mentioned the Haymarket Martyrs*.
so fuck ya.
im more anarchist than yow
*tho in all seriousness, surely a drink or two for those who weve lost aye, put the fighting to one side for the day and just remember who the real enemy is.
And Vancouver
cats hammers
Libcomist
catch said:
I'm quite tall, so perhaps he's refering to me?
Emma Herself
let me be your office boy
You're taller than me, aren't you?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
no you're not.kropotkin said:I'm taller than the lot of youse..
...but that might just be my anarchist haircut
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
maybe - but i'm certain you ain't taller than everyone who posts in politics on urban.
MrBIG said:
If you look at your original post on this thread I think my response was incredibly restrained and didn't exaggerate your position as stated. To be honest I had to check your posts on other threads before responding because I thought you were taking the piss yourself. If you don't really think people should keep their batteries out of their phones and conduct their meetings in darkened rooms with loud music and 'random people standing about' (surely a nightclub would do for that, or even a pub?), then please inform me.
montevideo
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catch said:
but look what you've done. Someone posts up what they intend to do on mayday & why, & you slag of what you imagine their practical intentions are & some hypothetical absurdity of how you imagine people organise these things. You don't even criticise the content of what was written, just some weird third hand gossip passed through the filter system of the anarchist hairdresser grapevine.
This seems to be a familiar occupation of yours (cf: samba band), clueless attacks & miserable attempts to deride an activity you have a problem with, ably cheered on by the other anarchist hairdressers (& to his shame rednblack).
Your class background is "economically working class"
isn't it.
"MAYDAY is International workers day, born out of the struggle for an 8 hour day in 1886. Over 100 years later our lives are still taken up by the world of work. Even more so now, as the work imposed by Capitalism has become more casualised (temporary contracts, flex time, part time, no time!) forcing us to adapt to the point where it's hard to tell when, where or even if we are working. This leaves us in a situation where our lives are always on hold, on call and at the mercy of the market. Our leisure time too is filled with anxieties. The anxiety of not being able to have enough money to pay the rent, go to the cinema, a nice restaurant, shop for food, clothes, anything! In reality our work never finishes and when we're not at work we still end up making some other person even richer.
Around Europe people call this new working and living condition "precarity" and over the past few years the EUROMAYDAY parades of causalised workers, temps, part-timers, immigrants and unemployed have marched through Europe's capitals to demand new social rights for the most marginalised. On MAYDAY 2005 we will add London to this emerging movement.
MAYDAY this year falls on a Sunday, once a day for relaxing, now part of the working week for many people. It's symbollic of how our time is increasingly dominated by work. As part of EUROMAYDAY, our aim is to make MAYDAY this year a day off for everyone. A day when we extend our hand of solidarity over the counter & checkout & learn to live for free. One day less for working, one day more for us! Look out for more info!"
so do you, politicaly speaking, have a problem with the above & if so what?
