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yardbird said:
That's not what Buddy Guy says or thinks.
I know this as fact.
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Maybe but his set at Glasto 08 said otherwise.

Buddy- "Hey everyone I hung around with Clapton and Hendrix in the 60's"
<plays Voodoo Chile/ Sunshine of your love etc>

Yeah great but how about playing some of your own (pretty great) stuff from the same era?

I know he thought he was playing to the crowd but FFS

Speak to any american blues fans they'll pretty much all say the same.
 
Magic Sam said:
Maybe but his set at Glasto 08 said otherwise.

Buddy- "Hey everyone I hung around with Clapton and Hendrix in the 60's"
<plays Voodoo Chile/ Sunshine of your love etc>

Yeah great but how about playing some of your own (pretty great) stuff from the same era?

I know he thought he was playing to the crowd but FFS

Speak to any american blues fans they'll pretty much all say the same.
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Hmm.. Nah, sounds pretty good to me. Two fucking legendary tunes played by a legend who clearly held both artists in a bit of esteem. Possibly heard while E'd off ya nut at Glasto. nahhhh. no complaints from me.
 
haven't read the rest of the posts so no idea if I'm repeating anything anyone else has already pointed out, but I've never got Clapton at all.

I don't even understand what people are going on about when they say he's a "technically" great guitarist. Even if you leave aside him not playing anything very imaginative or soulful or challenging: nothing he plays even sounds all that fancy in a muso widdly-wankery way either. I can at least understand why geeky music student types with cloth ears used to go on about people like Yngwie Malmsteen or Steve Vai – their music was deathly boring but they could at least play very very very fast. Far as Clapton goes, well, Cream had their moments and some killer riffs and that's about it.

As far as electric blues goes, Duster Bennett was the english whiteboy bluesman, not Eric Clapton. More soul in his little finger than anything I've heard from Eric. And Duster played guitar, drums and harmonica at the same time too...
 
gabi said:
Hmm.. Nah, sounds pretty good to me. Two fucking legendary tunes played by a legend who clearly held both artists in a bit of esteem. Possibly heard while E'd off ya nut at Glasto. nahhhh. no complaints from me.
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So you don't think that it is a bit strange that one of the leading lights of the "Westside" Chicago blues era played NONE of the tracks that brought him to noteriety (not to mention any of the excellent collaberations with Junior Wells or years spent supporting Big Mama Thornton), but instead chose to play someone elses rock tunes.

I am a blues fan so was obviously disappointed.
 
matt m said:
haven't read the rest of the posts so no idea if I'm repeating anything anyone else has already pointed out, but I've never got Clapton at all.

I don't even understand what people are going on about when they say he's a "technically" great guitarist. Even if you leave aside him not playing anything very imaginative or soulful or challenging: nothing he plays even sounds all that fancy in a muso widdly-wankery way either. I can at least understand why geeky music student types with cloth ears used to go on about people like Yngwie Malmsteen or Steve Vai – their music was deathly boring but they could at least play very very very fast. Far as Clapton goes, well, Cream had their moments and some killer riffs and that's about it.

As far as electric blues goes, Duster Bennett was the english whiteboy bluesman, not Eric Clapton. More soul in his little finger than anything I've heard from Eric. And Duster played guitar, drums and harmonica at the same time too...
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I must have cloth ears. Do you play guitar yourself? If so, but I doubt it, you'd realise that he is fucking unbelievable in what he can do on a fretboard.

As to the matter of 'soul' well - thats something that is by nature indescribable, however when I hear Clapton play and even more particularly, sing the blues IMO he's got it. Someone without soul settles for life working for a bank in the city going nowhere in his life. I don't think you can put Clapton in that category. He's been thru the mill. Just a different mill from your more classic (black) bluesmen. He's unique.
 
Shit, but I do like that bit in Layla that sound nothing like the rest of the song
Racialist right-wing cunt and a very rude person as a customer, with that absurd and arrogant sense of entitlement that some celebs have.
 
Magic Sam said:
So you don't think that it is a bit strange that one of the leading lights of the "Southside" Chicago blues era played NONE of the tracks that brought him to noteriety (not to mention any of the excellent collaberations with Junior Wells or years spent supporting Big Mama Thornton), but instead chose to play someone elses rock tunes.

I am a blues fan so was obviously disappointed.
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I think those two tunes you mentioned are standards by now. I'm always keen to hear an artist I love interpret them in their own way. Did he play ANY of his own shit? If not then I'm with you, that would be disappointing.
 
matt m said:
haven't read the rest of the posts so no idea if I'm repeating anything anyone else has already pointed out, but I've never got Clapton at all.

I don't even understand what people are going on about when they say he's a "technically" great guitarist. Even if you leave aside him not playing anything very imaginative or soulful or challenging: nothing he plays even sounds all that fancy in a muso widdly-wankery way either. I can at least understand why geeky music student types with cloth ears used to go on about people like Yngwie Malmsteen or Steve Vai – their music was deathly boring but they could at least play very very very fast. Far as Clapton goes, well, Cream had their moments and some killer riffs and that's about it.

As far as electric blues goes, Duster Bennett was the english whiteboy bluesman, not Eric Clapton. More soul in his little finger than anything I've heard from Eric. And Duster played guitar, drums and harmonica at the same time too...
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Fair enough, but please read the thread.
Loved Duster (RIP you genius)
Booked him when I was at St Martins - a lovely bloke !
 
gabi said:
I think those two tunes you mentioned are standards by now. I'm always keen to hear an artist I love interpret them in their own way. Did he play ANY of his own shit? If not then I'm with you, that would be disappointing.
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A few tracks from his new album is all I could make out, spent a lot of time pissing about playing his guitar with his cap/ behind his head etc (which was entertaining to a point) just not what I had come to see. (although I was not surprised TBH)
 
I don't rate him at all. He's a fucking wannabe who appeals to the kind of people who think The Police played reggae.
 
gabi said:
Hmm.. Nah, sounds pretty good to me. Two fucking legendary tunes played by a legend who clearly held both artists in a bit of esteem. Possibly heard while E'd off ya nut at Glasto. nahhhh. no complaints from me.
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word.
 
Kaka Tim said:
crap.

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Layla is toilet - especailly the guitar riff.

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Which was written by ....


Duane Allman!

(and the long piano ending was by Jim Gordon).

Try listening to 'Why does love got to be so sad?' and, especially, 'Little Wing' off the same Layla album, then tell us it's all crap.
 
yardbird said:
Bollocks!

But I am a wee bit pissed, so sorry for being rude :)
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He's never made a hair on the back of my neck stand up, never sent a shiver up or down my spine, never really touched me in any way. I don't rate him at all but you know horses for courses and that.
 
Fisher_Gate said:
Which was written by ....


Duane Allman!

(and the long piano ending was by Jim Gordon).

Try listening to 'Why does love got to be so sad?' and, especially, 'Little Wing' off the same Layla album, then tell us it's all crap.
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Thank you.
I was going to get into this area.
I think the thing is:- Criticize when you know!
The Layla album has some drug-addled brilliance.
 
soulman said:
He's never made a hair on the back of my neck stand up, never sent a shiver up or down my spine, never really touched me in any way. I don't rate him at all but you know horses for courses and that.
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You were never in a room with only 400/500 folks when with closed eyes he improvised and the band knew where to go.
Fucking magic!
 
Fisher_Gate said:
Which was written by ....


Duane Allman!

(and the long piano ending was by Jim Gordon).

Try listening to 'Why does love got to be so sad?' and, especially, 'Little Wing' off the same Layla album, then tell us it's all crap.
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'Why does love got to be so sad' runs out of ideas after about 45 seconds then there's at least 3 disgraceful minutes of mindless noodling which is rendered all the more tortuous by the horrendously anemic guitar sound.

'Little Wing' is a nig nog tune. Send it back. :mad:
 
copliker said:
'Why does love got to be so sad' runs out of ideas after about 45 seconds then there's at least 3 disgraceful minutes of mindless noodling which is rendered all the more tortuous by the horrendously anemic guitar sound.

'Little Wing' is a nig nog tune. Send it back. :mad:
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Taste innit?
 
I saw him live once at The Royal Albert Hall, one of his blues nights where he ditches his famous songs. Got in for a tenner on the door for a ticket up in the Gods.

He seemed content to play second fiddle to Buddy Guy who was absolutely awesome that night - not too much showmanship apart from one bit where he walked into the crowd and played this ludicrously fast solo right in some bloke's face :D I really liked Eric Clapton that night. He genuinely seemed in awe of playing with Buddy Guy and was almost apologetic when it was his turn to take the spotlight. His playing was great - quite low-key compared to Buddy Guy ripping the hell out of it and a nice contrast. They did good versions of 'Key To The Highway' and 'Worried Life Blues'. All pretty much made up on the spot - it was great to watch.

Downside was Robert Cray was on the bill, too. Went for a pint during his bit.
 
he is much better than bbking. much much better
. and noone would sayt bbking was crap

course he isn't fat and black so he doesn't get your racist respect, but listen to that album with bbking vs eric clapton and you will see who is better
 
isitme said:
he is much better than bbking. much much better
. and noone would sayt bbking was crap
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BB King's crap.






well of course he isn't crap, but he's way down on the list of preferred bluesmen I'd want to listen to. a long way behind: robert johnson, robert pete williams, lightnin hopkins, pink anderson, robert belfour, skip james, john lee hooker, bo carter, josh white, fred mcdowell, leadbelly etc etc
 
matt m said:
BB King's crap.






well of course he isn't crap, but he's way down on the list of preferred bluesmen I'd want to listen to. a long way behind: robert johnson, robert pete williams, lightnin hopkins, pink anderson, robert belfour, skip james, john lee hooker, bo carter, josh white, fred mcdowell, leadbelly etc etc
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but he's not crap, so why is eric crap?
 
NVP said:
Downside was Robert Cray was on the bill, too. Went for a pint during his bit.
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Sojourner says that she will never never forgive me for being first to promote Robert Cray in the UK.
May I take this opportunity humbly to apologise :(
 
fantastic guitarist. i don't like most of his music though, not to listen to all the time anyway. if i had half his ability i'd still be over a thousand times better a guitarist than i am now :D
 
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