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Eric Clapton - Crap / Not Crap

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Unrepentant 'we're with Enoch' type who took credit for riffs stolen from old bluesmen.

He took heartfelt raw emotion and turned it into bland music-by-the-numbers that prefigured soft rock by 20 years. As such, I suppose you could consider the racist twat some sort of twisted visionary.



Comin over here and stealing our music...
 
At least two of the soulless fretwanking fuckoid's most abominable works feature the knees/beggin' please rhyme.


Time can bring you down,
Time can bend your knees.
Time can break your heart,
Have you beggin' please

Layla, you got me on my knees
Layla, I'm beggin' darlin', please
 
yardbird said:
I was given the hardback for Christmas.
I've just remembered him and Jimi jamming at The Speakeasy with whatever band was playing that night.
They played off one and other-spellbinding!

I guess you can tell I'm quite old :D
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I just also remembered that the band was 'Art' with Keith Emerson on keyboards (not a Hammond at this stage) they did a cover of "For What It's Worth" as a single - actually not bad at all. Better than The Fugies rap silliness!
 
crap.

Technically highly proficient guitarist but boring as fuck. Copied what blues players like BB king had been doing but not as well.

Layla is toilet - especailly the guitar riff.

At its best his solo stuff was inferior cover verisions of the likes of jj cale. The rest of it is vom inducing bollocks like 'wonderful tonight' and arid noodling for shit soundtracks of bad 80s films.

Also a powellite sympathiser - oh the irony coming from someon who made a fortune appropriating black blues for a white audience.

As a letter to the NME at the time stated - 'who shot the sherrif eric? It sure as shit wasn't you'

Crap. A musical smear. The yardbirds were better without him as well.
 
Meltingpot said:
Yardbird; how would you compare Eric to Jeff Beck, a guitarist who introduced Indian scales to the Yardbirds' output (example; "Over Under Sideways Down" and "Shapes of Things?")
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I'm going to indulge myself and impute more of my memories if that is okay.

My user name is a total give away and one urban poster actually thought that I was Jim McCarty- the YaRdbiRdS drummer!!

I got a Christmas card from Jeff's manager :cool:

Jeff Beck is brilliant and has always carved his own route.
I was at Jeff's first gig with the YaRdbiRdS. The Crawdaddy Club at Richmond Athletic Ground. We were all Eric fans, but Jeff was FANTASTIC!!
I had seen him a couple of times at Eel Pie Island with The Tridents.

One Friday later I was at The Marquee for the YaRdbiRds and Eric was playing down the road at the Flamingo with John Mayall.
He strolled up the road for a pint in The Ship.
Thus for half an hour I got the YaRdbiRdS with Eric and Jeff !!

I'm 61 in February, but boy, have I been lucky :D

Final bit:

I can nail this.
I doubt if any of the crap voters here ever saw/heard Eric playing for fun and pleasure with real, heavy duty passion.

I used to run Dingwalls in the mid eighties and on several occasions booked Buddy Guy. Twice Eric's then manager Roger Forester called up and asked for him to be guest listed.
You should have seen the audience faces when he stepped on stage.

He played for his and Buddy Guy's pleasure.

Moments never to be forgotten!!
Ever.

Sorry if I got carried away on this thread :o
All crap votes are void 'cos you weren't there!
Thank you and goodnight.
 
yardbird said:
I used to run Dingwalls in the mid eighties and on several occasions booked Buddy Guy. Twice Eric's then manager Roger Forester called up and asked for him to be guest listed.
You should have seen the audience faces when he stepped on stage.

He played for his and Buddy Guy's pleasure.
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I've often wondered how these spontaneous guest spots work. Did Eric bring his guitar with him or does he use whatever is on the stage?

Dingwalls was great in the 80s. The only thing was that I usually missed the end of gigs as my last return train out of London was at 11 something pm.
 
metalguru said:
I've often wondered how these spontaneous guest spots work. Did Eric bring his guitar with him or does he use whatever is on the stage?

Dingwalls was great in the 80s. The only thing was that I usually missed the end of gigs as my last return train out of London was at 11 something pm.
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As I recall on both occasions Eric played one of Buddy's Strats.
The second time Eric jammed, Jeff Beck was also guest listed (my g/f and I were quite friendly with Jeff's manager Ralph Baker)
I took my vintage Telecaster to work with fingers crossed - but unfortunately Jeff wouldn't go for it :(

"Dingwalls was great in the 80s"
Thank you - flattered :o

Goodness me, all this nostalgia.

By the by, Ronnie Wood is the most infamous joiner-inner.
 
One of the great guitarists of his generation. Or any generation. A genuine bluesman, probably the best white guy to ply his trade in that genre.
 
some very isolated great tracks along the way (and 40 years ago) but mostly a despicable, boring,derivative nutsack
 
yardbird said:
I'm going to indulge myself and impute more of my memories if that is okay.

My user name is a total give away and one urban poster actually thought that I was Jim McCarty- the YaRdbiRdS drummer!!

I got a Christmas card from Jeff's manager :cool:

Jeff Beck is brilliant and has always carved his own route.
I was at Jeff's first gig with the YaRdbiRdS. The Crawdaddy Club at Richmond Athletic Ground. We were all Eric fans, but Jeff was FANTASTIC!!
I had seen him a couple of times at Eel Pie Island with The Tridents.

One Friday later I was at The Marquee for the YaRdbiRds and Eric was playing down the road at the Flamingo with John Mayall.
He strolled up the road for a pint in The Ship.
Thus for half an hour I got the YaRdbiRdS with Eric and Jeff !!

I'm 61 in February, but boy, have I been lucky :D

Final bit:

I can nail this.
I doubt if any of the crap voters here ever saw/heard Eric playing for fun and pleasure with real, heavy duty passion.

I used to run Dingwalls in the mid eighties and on several occasions booked Buddy Guy. Twice Eric's then manager Roger Forester called up and asked for him to be guest listed.
You should have seen the audience faces when he stepped on stage.

He played for his and Buddy Guy's pleasure.

Moments never to be forgotten!!
Ever.

Sorry if I got carried away on this thread :o
All crap votes are void 'cos you weren't there!
Thank you and goodnight.
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Not at all, it's great to hear from someone who "was there." I envy you tbh.

Over the holidays, there was a retrospective on Radio 2 about Rod Stewart, and they played the Jeff Beck Band's "Morning Dew" with Rod trading licks with Jeff on guitar. God it was good, they could have given Led Zeppelin a run for their money.

I always got the impression though that unlike, say, Ronnie Wood, Jeff is world champion of the "difficult sods," someone very hard to get on with or to get to co-operate with others.

I know he refused to tour Japan with Mick Jagger, despite having played on his solo album, because Mick had a lot of Stones songs in his set and he didn't want to play a lot of Keith Richard licks.

Is this fair?
 
Clapton

Very talented, can't deny it, and I do like some of his early stuff lots.

But it's hard to ignore the stealing the blues charge, and his period of Powellism was a disgrace -- has he ever apologised for/repudiated that? Or did he just blame it on drink?

Some of his more recent stuff (well post 1970 stuff really!) = cringeworthy.

Mixed feelings tending a lot towards the negative here.

But ETA : Respect to yardbird's opinion and experience when he talks about the early extreme talent too.
 
Kaka Tim said:
technical mastery without soul = boring muso wank.
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Dunno. He's had a pretty eventful life. Plenty of material there for some better than decent blues.

Do you think Robert Johnson for instance had 'soul'? If so, how was he any different from Clapton? They both lived chaotic lives - who's to say if Johnson had been born in our day and time he might not have ended up on Unplugged to revive a flagging career? Why the particular antipathy towards Clapton in other words?
 
Clapton and Buddy Guy are exact opposites.

One was a great rock guitarist trying to be a bluesman (which he aint) the other a great bluesman trying to be a great rock guitarist (which he aint).

Give me Greeny any day.
 
gabi said:
Dunno. He's had a pretty eventful life. Plenty of material there for some better than decent blues.

Do you think Robert Johnson for instance had 'soul'? If so, how was he any different from Clapton? They both lived chaotic lives - who's to say if Johnson had been born in our day and time he might not have ended up on Unplugged to revive a flagging career? Why the particular antipathy towards Clapton in other words?
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robert Johnson's music oozes soul. clapton's doesn't. Depsite Claptons various traumas and travials he just hasn't got it. Indefinable things.

I really have neve ever understood the awe with which some people hold clapton, his playing bores me rigid.
 
Magic Sam said:
Clapton and Buddy Guy are exact opposites.

One was a great rock guitarist trying to be a bluesman (which he aint) the other a great bluesman trying to be a great rock guitarist (which he aint).

Give me Greeny any day.
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That's not what Buddy Guy says or thinks.
I know this as fact.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Hey, where you place the single mic you're recording through counts as "production". :D
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Yeah, I was going to get into the area of the 'production' of 5 Live Yardbirds.

Everything was miked up on stage. Balanced on stage and recorded onto a four track.
If you want to know this stuff, just ask me :D
 
By the way NVP I hope you had a good birthday!
And Spion, one day we'll have a bevvy and talk music - missed out last year!
 
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