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Erhun Oztumer moves to Peterborough United

Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by Jamie Wyatt, Jun 9, 2014.

  1. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    There's been a piss-poor hand of poker played here which I'll elaborate on later.

    I suddenly find myself with a bit more time to spend at Champion Hill next term than I bargained for.
     
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  2. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    Regardless of contract negotations. The moment erhun didnt get a penalty in that cup game was a death knell in any kind of managerial competence.
     
  3. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    Absolutely nothing to do with that - that was Westley's idea. Erhun (and McCann) wanted to take one and Westley overruled and stuck with his orginal list (Erhun had just come on as sub remember). It was actually the first 'dong' of Westley's own death-knell if you correlate the timeline and the subsequent results.
     
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  4. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    Oops! Didnt know there was different manager!
     
  5. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    Don't blame you. Just during Erhun's gig it's gone: Ferguson - Robertson - McCann (caretaker) - Westley - McCann.

    Ironically, McCann's the only one who genuinely understood what Erhun was about.
     
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  6. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    Sworn to secrecy but it's a slightly upwards move and a better deal for Erhun. Can't be too unhappy with that, eh?
     
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  7. sankara

    sankara Well-Known Member

    Joy of joys
     
  8. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    I now share all the pain you guys felt - if I had a fucking guitar it would be of the gently weeping kind :(
     
  9. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    Fuck off you knob - I forgot about you :p

    Look forward to seeing you next term (at last) and I can tell you categorically that he isn't going to Sixfields - I took the effort to put him right on that.

    You are getting a Posh player shortly however - see you soon :thumbs:
     
  10. Luke Maggs

    Luke Maggs Active Member

    Erhun to Walsall confirmed.
     
  11. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Walsall? Shit...that won't be much of a percentage in the sell-on...can't recall what it was, but whatever it is...it won't be much.
    And...typical lazy me, gutted I never got to see him play at London Road. Grr!
     
  12. Scolly

    Scolly Well-Known Member

    Walsall are very much on the rise at the moment. I had the pleasure of seeing his debut for Posh (at Posh) ..... coincidence though as latics were playing them.
     
  13. ForwardHamlet

    ForwardHamlet Well-Known Member

    Ridiculous.
     
  14. the 12th man

    the 12th man Well-Known Member

    Having a quick read of the article on the Walsall site it says he links up with them when his contract at Posh expires. In my eyes as he is 25 and not going till end of present contract we get no money! Someone can correct me if i am wrong:confused:
     
  15. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry to report that you won't get any sell-ons. Had Posh extended to the third year then sold him (clubs were interested), you would have had a payment owing. As it is - Erhun is/was a free agent on 30 June.
     
  16. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Shame...but that's football. Still think he's destined for great things...Peterborough's loss.
     
  17. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    Correct on all three points, mate.

    If he doesn't find the opportunity to prove himself at Championship level in the next couple of seasons, my knob will be the proverbial bloater.
     
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  18. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    This is what happened to Erhun at Posh:

    "The club haven't so much taken a parting shot so much as tried to shield themselves from any criticism for letting a first-team player leave for a rival club for fuck-all. There's a bit more to it than that however.

    The underlying issue here was the original contract that Erhun signed two summers ago. I should make very clear that this contract wasn't negotiated at all and that it was waiting for him when he arrived at London Road. The basic wasn't all that much but it was quite reasonable for a player whose only previous two seasons in England had been played at Isthmian League level. Like the rest of the squad, there were myriad performance-related clauses which, given 25-30 appearances, a few goals and a promotion, would put a completely different complexion on his earnings. There were a few other clubs interested but having met Ferguson and Fry, he was easily convinced and signed a very happy man.

    The third year option enshrined in the original contract ensured that his previously modest basic would be uplifted by 66% - this would, more or less, equate to what the 'average' L1 player earned as a basic salary (according to FL figures). It's worth noting at this point that there were no agent premiums involved, indeed, I repeat that this was not a negotiated deal and that it was what the club placed beneath his pen in 2014.

    Fast forward 18 months or so and he's reintroduced to the side and earning plaudits from the national media and, frequently, rival fans. He was having a genuine issue finding storage space for all the champagne he was accumulating (he's teetotal). At this juncture, he was verbally offered a new two-year deal (to run consecutive to the original) but the basic uplift had diminished to 22%. Although he had no agent acting for him at that time, he declined this offer out of hand.

    Erhun's perspective at that time was Darragh was assuring fans that we had a option which we intended to exercise and that he, Erhun, would simply play his way to a more enduring deal on the basic terms of the 66% option uplift if no new deal was agreed in the summer. It was publicly stated at that time that the club intended "to sit down with him in the summer and negotiate a new contract". He was, as you might imagine, quite relaxed about all this at that particular time.

    As ever, the scenario changed somewhat when Westley's arms-length approach started and Conor left, bringing about the signing of more players than we could actually have a use for. Unfortunately, players that should have been playing weren't and players exhausted-from-training were included in the starting XI. More than once, this included Erhun. Westley didn't ruin Erhun but he lost track of the best way to deploy him, or indeed, devise a match-winning strategy at all. Westley's not a complete mug and he did have some success in developing Grant's ideas but I always feared that this particular job would eventually have demands that he would find too difficult in due course.

    Fast forward again to a few weeks ago and I spoke to Erhun whilst Grant was caretaking for the second time. He was genuinely excited that Grant might finally become manager and wanted to commit his long-term future to Posh if this proved to be the case. I urged him at this point to try and wrap things up before appointing a new agent. I offered to represent him for nothing if he had misgivings about negotiating (knowing full well that any latitude would be marginal at best) but suggested that simply having him and his dad engaging in an informal chat with Grant would be his best option all round.

    Shortly afterwards, things became more complicated. Having been appointed, Grant will have been presented with more temporal chores like balancing a playing budget. He explained to Erhun that he certainly wanted him on board but that he could only offer the 22% uplift. He openly made it clear at that time that, should Erhun decline, the option wasn't going to be taken up and that the matter would be out of his hands. I wasn't surprised by any of this but I did note that Erhun had allowed himself to feel let down. At the same time, I understand that Grant too felt let down - he had always shown faith in Erhun and now he was asking Erhun to repay that faith and, rather than dwell on the basics, consider how much he would earn playing an important role in a promotion campaign.
     
  19. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    Over this period and right up until last week, I have spoken to Erhun and spent several hours talking to his dad. They have been thoughtful and listened to everything I've said, no matter how tedious, but one or two key things failed to fully register I'm afraid:

    When the original contract was signed, Posh were in no way contemplating two further seasons in L1 and all the budgetary squeezes that such a situation entailed. Fergie was still reasonably focused and a promotion within those two years was a long way from unfeasible. I explained at length why Darragh had to subsequently exercise hard acumen between sales and that he was still personally underpinning the club far more than he should be.

    All through the Robbo shenanigans (which are a separate topic), Erhun had two staunch supporters in Darragh and Grant. Despite not actually asking for them, he was offered unconditional loans as a means of shouting his claim and Grant took the time to sympathise with him and keep his motivation up. Darragh brought him to the club, convinced Fergie and Darragh kept him at the club when he had fair excuse to fuck him off when his then agent overstepped the mark (with good but clumsy intent). I didn't say so directly but I did repeatedly suggest that he perhaps owed both Grant and Darragh for keeping faith in him and, in Grant's case, regularly affording him the platform he craved whenever possible.

    Now comes the interesting part - whilst I was banging on about why he should just sign and play his way into an indispensible position, his dad kept remarking that they felt that somehow the option had already been invoked. This was borne out in the retained lists that stated that, instead of an expiring deal, Erhun was entering the third year of a deal. There were some very amusing stories exchanged about the cunning of Barry Fry and his teleporter but they felt that Grant's comments about the option not being exercised was just bluff - I wasn't quite convinced of this somehow. I know Darragh's calculated methods but I've always assumed that Grant was a very frank fellow and I felt that he'd already told Erhun everything there was to tell, exactly as it was.

    Erhun's dad explained that not enacting the extension made no business sense and he had a valid point. Mindful that Darragh was prepared to perform a cabaret to sway just a handful of theatrically wavering ST holders, it made no business sense not to take up the option and then instruct Fry to take the first 50k from wherever, assuming of course that Grant had psychologically 'moved-on' (as is this week's assertion). I sort of agreed with this notion and Erhun more or less sat on his hands whilst he waited for the deadline. As it approached, his dad drove up to Erhun's empty home in Peterborough half-expecting to find a formal letter from the club or, at least, to have Fry spring out of a hedge as he got out of his car. Neither situation occurred.

    I was communicating with Darragh at this point and, as ever, he was quite frank in his own way and made it quite clear that Erhun's only remaining option was to put his racquet down and come to the net sharpish. He knew I'd convey these sentiments to the Oztumers and, whilst he repeated for the umpteenth time that he was genuinely fond of Erhun, he spelled the situation out honestly.

    In my heart I knew the jig was all but up at that point and I resorted to scaremongering [​IMG] Erhun's dad and I went through the likely destinations and we talked quite a bit about football and I always made a dogged point that it would be difficult to get a genuinely better chance of success and promotion bonuses / Championship opportunities than with Posh - not much bias there, I genuinely believed that. His dad at least acknowledged that my points were fair but that they still interpreted the 44% shortfall on offer as an indication that the club didn't have enough faith in him. 'Feels unwanted' was a recurring expression.

    As it panned out, his new agent, Paolo Vernazza, had actually been far busier than I'd suggested he might be. A great many clubs were interested but most didn't believe that Posh would release him on a free on 30 June - accordingly, several conducted their business as originally planned. My understanding is that at least two sizeable Championship clubs expressed an interest but couldn't offer assurances about squad status and, supposedly, almost all the other clubs in L1 were keen for dialogue. Erhun had no intention whatsoever to drop down a league although Portsmouth might possibly have been an exception to that thinking. Walsall proved throughout to be the keenest suitors and just also happened to be the highest non-promoted L1 side from last term - it's arguably an 'upward' move on paper and I'm impressed with Vernazza for brokering it. For the record, my understanding is that he's on a bit more wedge than the basic of Posh's extension option (and a lot more than the 'new contract' offered) but he does have to factor in that living in Birmingham will cost him and that he now has a fully-retained agent on board. He's certainly better off financially but he wouldn't be if Posh get promoted and Walsall don't (!).

    This particular chapter has been emotionally draining for me because, owing to daft romantic notions, I thought I could act as a conduit between two young men whom I both admire and consider friends. As ever, I've learned not as much as I should apart from:

    • Darragh MacAnthony is a top bloke and he can play his cards anyway he likes as far as I'm concerned. He may have made a financial error here but I understand his thinking and his 'here and now' outlook.
    • Erhun Oztumer is an arguably unique footballer and is a charming but very ambitious fellow. His legion of family and friends are splendid people to be acquainted with. He is very pleased to be joing Walsall but he is certainly sad to be leaving Posh.
    • Grant McCann has fair justification to feel a bit aggrieved but I'm sure he's a big enough bloke to understand Erhun's less-experienced perspective.

    I watched Erhun absolutely smash his way through the Isthmian League and, within a few seconds of his first possesion at Champion Hill in front of me, I knew he could make an impression at L1 and dreamt of him wearing a Posh shirt. That dream came to fruition (because Darragh was one step ahead of me) and I can't possibly explain how content I felt when things were going well (which they regularly did during periods of managerial calm).

    Thank you Darragh and thank you Erhun. Please be warned however, if you score against Posh (anywhere but Wembley) and celebrate, you're fucking dead to me son - this is football, a serious business [​IMG]"
     
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  20. iamwithnail

    iamwithnail Well-Known Member

    Cheers for posting that. Who wrote it, out of curiosity, is that his old agent?
     
  21. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    I wrote it on the Posh messageboards when the move was confirmed. Some fans were havng a go at the club for unnecessarily letting a popular player go to a rival club on a free whereas others were accusing Erhun of being 'greedy' owing to the blunt topical local reporting at the time. I just saw it as (unfortunately) one of those things whereby both perspectives were significantly mitigated by an assortment of factors.

    The upshoot is that I now need both Posh and Walsall to get promoted next term. Along with Dulwich of course. Football gods, help me out here!!
     
  22. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

    Saddlers fans seem happy with Erhun

    [​IMG]
     
  23. Posh 'n Proud

    Posh 'n Proud Well-Known Member

    He's very happy himself I understand.

    I'm a bit worried that there's a group of Saddlers' fans already expressing discontent at boss Jon Whitney's stewardship. Whitney seems to know what he's about but he has had quite a collection of key players sold (or moved on) by the club in the summer but this is hardly his fault.

    Whitley does, however, seem keen to make Erhun the focal point of Warsaw's attacking play and I don't really see how he can go too far wrong there. Erhun, for his part, has already put in several excellent shifts, scored a couple of trademark goals, copious assists and is already a fans' favourite (yet again). All pleasing stuff :)
     
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  24. DonkeyAssessor

    DonkeyAssessor Well-Known Member

    Two cracking goals from Erhun at Swindon today. 13 mins into goal rush (last match in div 1) when repeated on channel 5 tomorrow am
     
  25. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

    I saw him play last week actually, he is so fast!
     
  26. pitchfork

    pitchfork Well-Known Member

    Sheer class, pleasure to have seen him at CH.

     
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  27. Moroccan Sunset

    Moroccan Sunset Well-Known Member

    That's ridiculous. There's a couple of runours floating about that Brentford are thinking of making a move in January. Brentford and a few others, I suspect.
     
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  28. ForwardHamlet

    ForwardHamlet Well-Known Member

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    ForwardHamlet Well-Known Member

     
  30. DonkeyAssessor

    DonkeyAssessor Well-Known Member

    Great goal by erhun for winner against the cobblers
     
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