Enhanced CRB check: what shows up?

[Blagsta]

I have a friend who does my course, who got busted in Queens Road Peckham in London after he bought some weed from a shop.
They came up to us and asked him if he had just left the shop- he was very upfront about it, gave them the weed and apologised- hoping for the best as he is one year away form qualifying as a doctor. The guy took his name and address, but didn't do anything official. He gave him no paper or receipt of the incident, and said that this was just a local thing that would trigger something official only if he got picked up again.

We got told recently that our first jobs will require a full enhanced CRB check, and he is really worried that this 'unofficial' reprimand will show up and fuck him. I told him that I really doubt it will as there was no official paperwork around it.

1/ What do you guys think?
2/ Does anyone have any idea what the information was taken for?

1/ No it won't show up
2/ to shit him up

 

[kropotkin]

Thanks for your replies everyone- i have forwarded them to him.

 

[lontok2005]

It depends what the conviction is for though doesnt it? an anhanced CRB check should rightly show anything which may be cause for concern when working with vulnerable people/groups.

A caution for indecent assault in your teens would probably make many 'reasonable' employers refuse someone a job working directly with children even if you were 30.

Hi, you're right. Actually, I rechecked our equal opps policy and in fact there is a clause pertaining to 'unrelated criminal convictions.'

 

[Scarlette]

The OP shouldn't worry too much about the CRB check. I just went to a course where I need to take my CRB number with me to ge the accreditation. I asked the school manager for it and he said they have none recorded for me.

Moderately alarming considering I gave a form in and have been working there almost two years.

 

[Jografer]

I see a fair few CRB returns at work that have spent convictions on them, can't think of any instance where it's made any difference to the job 'offer'.

I'd rather have the system in place though, as insurance against the Huntley's of this world.

..... also if any employer is going to worry about a shoplifting offence when you were a kid, then you probably are better off not working for them...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I'd rather have the system in place though, as insurance against the Huntley's of this world.

there were systems in place when huntley was employeed.

personally i don't think it serves any fucntion other than to admonish culpabiltiy when it does go tit's up, it's a way of saying we took ever possible precaution we could...

 

[Jografer]

there were systems in place when huntley was employeed.

Not the enhanced system there wasn't... & the systems that were in place clearly didn't work...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Not the enhanced system there wasn't... & the systems that were in place clearly didn't work...

oh right cos the system they have now where instead of it being done locally where the local blaggers were known to the local police sending it of to Osted who then take somewhere in the region of 32 weeks to process the forms, which you have to send originals in for and which are often lost or destroyed with out notice so the whole process has to begin again, meaning that staff are routinely taken on without CRB or with CRB pending due to the impossible situation that OFSted have created.

So previously it would be a locally based locally refference no applicable nationally so each time oyu mvoed you'd have to re register with the local police who'd then cross refference you against all the known db of suspects etc... now none of it on check national doens't get donw by the police often doesn't get done by ofsted until in the cases of say holiday clubs after school clubs long after staff have left.

you say the old system didn't work but it did, it jsut wasn't efficent or a national database of records on people. the current system is merely lip service to accounablity when in reality it places most kids and the vunerable in general under greater risk...

 

[Oula]

I know someone who was cautioned for weed during his PGCE - about 6 weeks before the end. He also went to a party to celebrate the end of it and dived into a shallow swimming pool, breaking his nose and blacking both his eyes. He did his interview for the school he wanted to teach at with 2 black eyes and a caution for drugs less than 2 months old and still got the job. Mind you, it was to teach art.

I'm sure you'll be fine.

 

[xconorx]

If he didnt get any paperwork or anything it wont show on a CRB.

Sort of.
The enhanced CRB check (I had to do it a few times for teaching) means everything inc. cautions as a previous poster said. Even if you did not receive a formal caution, there can be repercussions.

5 years ago I was arrested for criminal damage during some anti-war shite - we were interviewed and released without formal caution, but told we would eventually be cautioned, this never happened. 6 months later it showed-up on my enhanced CRB check as "case-pending" despite the fact we'd never been charged with anything.
the college I did my PGCE at asked for a character-reference which my old supervisor did and it was all cool cos it was a lefty college and I said it was anti-war stuff and that was grand.

Two-years later it came up, again, on an enhanced CRB check as "case-pending". In this case the cops had just made a fuck-up of not bothering to process it either way (either charge or caution us) so it just sat there as "case-pending" which looks even worse probably.

Caution are never considered spent for the purposes of enhanced CRB from what I gather.

 

[Final]

You cant apply for a CRB check yourself. It has to be done via your employer (or whoever you are volunteering for if applicable) although you fill in the form you hand it to the employer who sends it in
You then get a copy and the organisation asking for it will get a copy.
Full info here
http://www.crb.gov.uk/

Isn't there a way of checking it under the data protection act?

What if someone else got a caution but had given your name / address details?



eta:http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=417

Will this have all the info?

 

[Final]

If you are worried or concerned about what may be, or has been, revealed by your CRB check you can talk in confidence to the Nacro helpline. Nacro is a crime reduction charity that works with ex-offenders and is able to answer specific queries on good practice in relation to employment and offenders. (T: 0800 0181 259 or Email [email protected]).

http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=381