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tobyjug said:
I have. Where are the far right policies?
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I called them Morris-dancing mentalists and made no reference to them having far-right policies, although the news that they are in fact a far-right party comes as no surprise to me whatsoever.
 
the english democrats are a far right party - not fascist mind, but certainly far right - a quick look at their financial policies, and law and order policies would suggest the classic far-right saloon bar outlook
 
JHE said:
If they have won two council seats, that's twice as many as Respec' has won so far.
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Quite, rather than ridicule and dismissal I would have thought any party which is gaining electoral success deserves close and serious scrutiny.
 
butchersapron said:
So go on then. What does your close and serious scrutiny reveal tobes? They're nearing power?
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I am not one of those handing out the ridicule. Ridicule and dismiss something without understanding it and it may at some time in the future bite you on the arse.
 
tobyjug said:
Quite, rather than ridicule and dismissal I would have thought any party which is gaining electoral success deserves close and serious scrutiny.
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It's only a seat on Crowborough Town Council - hardly enough success to think about taking them seriously.

H'Angus the monkey, mascot of Hartlepool FC, has had far greater electoral success than the English Democrats and I'm not about to start giving *him* close and serious scrutiny...
 
Having has a quick look at their webpage they seem no further to the right than the current labour party, and a fair number of their policies seem to be in line with the majority opinion expressed on U75 forums.
 
Have a longer look. What do you think of their hook up with the national democrats (expelled BNP members) and the old National Front?
 
So we've established either that tobyjug is in fact to the right of the "English Democrats", or that he'll position himself to the right of anything without bothering to check it out.

But that's too much already about him.

When's Kilroy-Silk joining them?
 
The leaflets they put through letter boxes around election times are always worth keeping for comedy value, that is the first point that I ever heard about them when I got a bit of paper with a big cross of St.George on it and lots of whittering about Scottish people and euro-sausages on it, I found them more amusing than sinister to be honest. Then agine members of the spartacus league are quite funny as a long as there are not too many of them in one place...

They got 14,506 votes nationwide (or england wide) in the most recent elections, even socialist labour got more than them. Though they did get more than Rainbow Dream Ticket and the Scottish Unionist's so I suppose that is something. To be honest I can not see how they could get that much more popular as the sort of people that would vote for them would have UKIP as a far bigger draw and of course the conservative party. They are very similar to the UKIP except with the england first stuff and are, as fits a smaller party, a bit more loony.
 
The English Democrats sound just as paranoid, tedious and provincially bigoted as their Welsh, Scottish and Irish nationalist contemporaries.

Narrow-minded fucking flag wavers.

Christ, I just can't be doing with boring cunts like that!
 
laptop said:
So we've established either that tobyjug is in fact to the right of the "English Democrats", or that he'll position himself to the right of anything without bothering to check it out.

But that's too much already about him.

When's Kilroy-Silk joining them?
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You have established nothing, I am to the right of Ghengis Khan on law and order and to the left of Mother Teresa on welfare.
 
JHE said:
If they have won two council seats, that's twice as many as Respec' has won so far.
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Ha ha ha. This is so true! I mean this really shows how irrelevant that Respec' party are ...

I mean this wasn't some London Borough Council election where Councillors have no impact ... after all this was a PARISH Council by-election ... here the councillors are not in charge of all that poxy education and social services stuff - they can leave that to East Sussex Council Councillors playing politics ... nor are they in charge of all that housing and rubbish collection nonsense, that's the responsibility of Wealden District Council... no in Crowborough parish councillors have real power and are responsible for the important things like allotments and public seating ...

... and the people of Crowborough really believe in local democracy as far as their Town Council is concerned ... so much so that at the last full Council election in 2003, all five of the wards were uncontested, including the one where the English Democrats party has just won the by-election ... why in a nearby ward there was a hard fought contest where the Green Party won a seat too, without the trouble of having to have any votes cast ... so that really shows how much interest people down there take in local politics ...

... and of course since the last by-election in March (there have been three since the last full 'elections' as the council duties are so arduous), the English Democrats have moved up from 29 to 120 votes ... not that the fact that theirs was the only candidate to stand twice made any difference to the very active voters in Crowborough ... and certainly not a bit like the 2,745 those Respec' plebs got in local elections last May in god-forbidden places like Preston ...

... and Crowborough ain't no tiny place ... not like those places where Respec' chappies claim to have done well in the General Election ... like London or Birmingham ... no Crowborough now has a population of 21,000 people, and has tripled in size from 7,000 a century ago ...

Ha Ha winning that by-election ... cool for the English Democrats ... that's one in the eye for those Respec' fools eh???
 
Charlie Drake said:
Town councils have a bit more clout than parish councils
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Not much though. The SP have one or two about the place and we don't even list them with the real councillors we have got elected.

I think the most recent one was gained when somebody who had been "elected" for the Socialist Labour Party defected to the SP. I say "elected" because I think it may have been uncontested. The SLP made a big song and dance at the time about the election of their first councillor, which I just thought made them look a bit silly.
 
First of all, any electoral advance by the English Democrats is not an immediate concern because they are, unless I have it wrong and I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong, the least harmful of the glut of parties with "English" in their name; the real problem group are "England First", sometimes, "English First", who stood in Preston a couple of years ago and came third out of four in a Labour stronghold seat.

Secondly I am by no means a Respect representative, but I can't let someone make a wild claim against them without correcting it for the records. I don't know about anywhere else but Respect do have elected councillors; Michael Lavellete in the Town Centre ward and Steven Brooks in Tulketh, here in Preston. If I stand for the LibDems in Town Centre next year I think I will be up against Michael if he stands again...

Like I said, happy to be corrected on the EngDems score, dunno if they are as madcap far-right as others of that ilk or not...
 
The EDs aren't just some English Parliament supporters, they're dodgy even by their own manifesto; I had a glut of them on my blog a while back after I took the piss out of them having Bushell, and I did a bit more poking on their site. One finds stuff like public culture being dictated by some people and not by others depending on how "English" they are. And that's just on what they publish on the net.

http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/2005/04/13/horrible-celebrity-political-news/
 
butchersapron said:
Have a longer look. What do you think of their hook up with the national democrats (expelled BNP members) and the old National Front?
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Do you have any links on this? I couldn't find anything on their site.

I always just thought they were twitchy tories, myself.

Edit: This sounds a bit dodgy, actually.
All ethnic groups should be free to promote their own culture and identity but the public culture of England should be that of the indigenous English.
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FridgeMagnet said:
The EDs aren't just some English Parliament supporters, they're dodgy even by their own manifesto; I had a glut of them on my blog a while back after I took the piss out of them having Bushell, and I did a bit more poking on their site. One finds stuff like public culture being dictated by some people and not by others depending on how "English" they are. And that's just on what they publish on the net.

http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/2005/04/13/horrible-celebrity-political-news/
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Aaah, cheers for that. I always find the multi-layered, multi-split grouplets of "English XYZ" parties to hold some kind of car-crash fascination. I will read-up and research.
 
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