England - What to do?

[g force]

The problem is, as good as the premiership is, a lot of the outstanding players - particularly the inventive and attacking ones - aren't English.

 

[zed]

The problem is, as good as the premiership is, a lot of the outstanding players - particularly the inventive and attacking ones - aren't English.

So basically, the problem is still the same as it was before the influx of foreign players then?

I think the amount of foreign playewrs in the premiership has raised the standard of Englsih players. But not high enough.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Bring Back the Swede!

 

[Donna Ferentes]

it makes me wonder why they didn’t just wait until after his commitment with the Portuguese was over (as soon as they lost in the World Cup).

It shouldn't be forgotten that there was a virulent tabloid campaign which insisted that only an English manager should be considered. If England are stuck with McLaren rather than Scolari or O'Neill, it might be a good idea to point the finger at the trash who organised that particular hysteria.

 

[Diamond]

The problem is, as good as the premiership is, a lot of the outstanding players - particularly the inventive and attacking ones - aren't English.

I don't know about that. Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Lennon, SWP (when at Man City), Terry, A Cole (a couple of years ago), J Cole have all been highly impressive for their club sides.

OK, so they're not among the Robben's or the Henry's of this world but not many players are either.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

The problem is, as good as the premiership is, a lot of the outstanding players - particularly the inventive and attacking ones - aren't English.

Also though even the best foreigners in the Prem - with one or two exceptions - don't look that good compared to some other leagues. How many premiership players were oustanding at the world cup? Not many. Most were from other leagues.

 

[jiggajagga]

i think this is slightly defeatist. yes, expectations are overly high but as an england supporter you should expect the team to play as well as they can. they're a long way off that now, thus something should be done.

But how long have we been saying this? Perhaps these players are actually the best of a bad bunch.
I mean, if croatia can go from a world cup 3rd place to crap in 8 years why can't we?

 

[Diamond]

It shouldn't be forgotten that there was a virulent tabloid campaign which insisted that only an English manager should be considered. If England are stuck with McLaren rather than Scolari or O'Neill, it might be a good idea to point the finger at the trash who organised that particular hysteria.

I don't know if you were in the country at the time that that happened but I remember listening to a 5live programme a couple of hours after Scolari gave his main reason to not take up the job: the media.

There were about four different journos from various rags on the programme and every single one of them rubbished Scolari and completely dismissed out of hand the idea that the media pressure in the England job would put a manager off. The worst came when they received a deluge of calls from angered listeners who were pissed off at the arrogance of the journalists. They just ended up calling them naive and stupid.

 

[Andy the Don]

What would I do..

1) Disband the Premiership

2) Allow a max of say 3 non British players on each team inc subs.

3) All foreign managers must have British coaches

4) Max annual salary cap (like in rugby) points deduction if past cap.

5) Ban all foreign ownership of British clubs

6) No British club to be allowed to registered/listed on stock exchange

7) All clubs to have supporters representatives on board.

 

[Dr. Furface]

What would I do..

5) Ban all foreign ownership of British clubs

Get stuffed!

 

[Epicurus]

It shouldn't be forgotten that there was a virulent tabloid campaign which insisted that only an English manager should be considered. If England are stuck with McLaren rather than Scolari or O'Neill, it might be a good idea to point the finger at the trash who organised that particular hysteria.

I understand your point but why did they bow to the pressure of the newspapers? The FA should and could have waited to get the right person for the job (but I except this is a major problem in the UK not just effecting football)

I don't know if you were in the country at the time that that happened but I remember listening to a 5live programme a couple of hours after Scolari gave his main reason to not take up the job: the media.

This was how it was portrayed in the UK press (I was here at the time) but it wasn’t the reasons he gave in interviews with the Brazilian press where he said “ they wanted me to commit to the job while I was still contracted to Portugal and I don’t work like that……… how would it look to the people and fans who pay my wages, if I have given my commitment to England while I was still managing Portugal” (or words to that effect)

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I understand your point but why did they bow to the pressure of the newspapers?

Quite likely they should not have: but when there are hysteria campaigns I think we should perhaps point the finger at those who orchestrate them before we point it at those who are its target.

 

[iROBOT]

Havent read he whole thread, but the major problem with English players in internationals is that they are unable to play the typical hard English style, because it would lead to yellows and reds...you can see this everytime England play, the team is unable to adapt to a less brutal game.

You can see this week in week out on parks up and down the country, where thugish behaviour is not only allowed but applauded.

 

[Epicurus]

Quite likely they should not have: but when there are hysteria campaigns I think we should perhaps point the finger at those who orchestrate them before we point it at those who are its target.

That is why I asked the questions in my first post.

I blame the FA because they bowed to the presure and could have waited 3 weeks, its shows week leadership and people like that shouldn't be running the FA (in my view)

 

[jugularvein]

the reasons he gave in interviews with the Brazilian press where he said “ they wanted me to commit to the job while I was still contracted to Portugal and I don’t work like that……… how would it look to the people and fans who pay my wages, if I have given my commitment to England while I was still managing Portugal” (or words to that effect)

obvious to all of course, apart from, amazingly, the FA. right... forgetting all the numerous fuckups and the macheteing through jungles of incompetence towards whatever the media wants,

what about the future? you're the consultant. next game vs. israel (away) five months time. suspended: A. Cole (clever boy)

 

[jugularvein]

Havent read he whole thread, but the major problem with English players in internationals is that they are unable to play the typical hard English style, because it would lead to yellows and reds...you can see this everytime England play, the team is unable to adapt to a less brutal game.

You can see this week in week out on parks up and down the country, where thugish behaviour is not only allowed but applauded.

part of but not the problem. how would this be combatted? the reffing in this country?

 

[Epicurus]

obvious to all of course, apart from, amazingly, the FA. right... forgetting all the numerous fuckups and the macheteing through jungles of incompetence towards whatever the media wants,

what about the future? you're the consultant. next game vs. israel (away) five months time. suspended: A. Cole (clever boy)

I'm not sure my comments on the above would be relevant as I support Brazil, I just can't believe that people who run the FA are dictated to by the press, my view is England has under preformed for years and in my opinion that is because most players have too much money to care and act like petulant kids, I think the disciplinary record bears this out

 

[Donna Ferentes]

How then does Italy differ?

 

[steveo87]

Give up, go home, and watch footy focus.
I've always been a scouse red first and an england fan second...

 

[J77]

What would I do..

1) Disband the Premiership

2) Allow a max of say 3 non British players on each team inc subs.

3) All foreign managers must have British coaches

4) Max annual salary cap (like in rugby) points deduction if past cap.

5) Ban all foreign ownership of British clubs

6) No British club to be allowed to registered/listed on stock exchange

7) All clubs to have supporters representatives on board.

That just make too much sense to ever work

 

[Epicurus]

Give up, go home, and watch footy focus.
I've always been a scouse red first and an england fan second...

Yep I'm a club before county person myself

S. C.Corinthians Paulista

 

[g force]

I don't know about that. Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Lennon, SWP (when at Man City), Terry, A Cole (a couple of years ago), J Cole have all been highly impressive for their club sides.

OK, so they're not among the Robben's or the Henry's of this world but not many players are either.

How many have transferred that to a national team? Probably only Rooney and Terry, possibly J Cole is flashes.

 

[Flashman]

Yep I'm a club before county person myself

Most football fans are to be fair.

 

[Diamond]

How many have transferred that to a national team? Probably only Rooney and Terry, possibly J Cole is flashes.

Certainly very few have ever transferred that quality to the national side, but that isn't because they are intrinsically bad. The majority of those players have proved their ability on a stage which is consistently tougher than international football: the Champions League.

The point is that the players are good enough, but they are not producing for England for a variety of reasons.

 

[Epicurus]

Certainly very few have ever transferred that quality to the national side, but that isn't because they are intrinsically bad. The majority of those players have proved their ability on a stage which is consistently tougher than international football: the Champions League.

The point is that the players are good enough, but they are not producing for England for a variety of reasons.

so it must be the management or lack of pride, what else can it be?

 

[J77]

The point is that the players are good enough, but they are not producing for England for a variety of reasons.

Are they good enough though?

Or do they look good in the Premier$hip due to all the, much better, foreignplayers?

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

As I also said though, many of those foreign players also don't look great compared to players from other leagues. How many Premiership players were outstanding at the world cup? Even Henry didn't do that much for France.

 

[Neva]

I take a pretty simple view of all this really and just blame the manager. He got the tactics terribly wrong last night and he doesn't seem able to motivate the team.

If you were to rank the managers in the Premiership at the time when we were looking for the next England manager then would McClaren even have made the top 10? Middlesborough only finished four places above the relegation zone that season and he went from that to the England job

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Yes, it's particularly odd that he was chosen when you think that he also had a lot of money to spend at Boro. Curbishley, Pardew and Fat Sam have all done better than McClaren with less money to spend.

Boro last year were in many ways similar to England: A collection of 'big names' who could barely be bothered to turn up. On the occasion that they did, like their game against Man U where they won 4-1, they looked quite a good team.

 

[zoltan]

Its the fault of the players innit.

these are the same bunch of wankers who threatened to strike cos on their Bling mates was caught bang to rights avoiding a drugs test

The same Bunch , whos erstwhile leader - Mr Beckham - announced he was resigning the captaincy - how fuckin gracious of him - I didnt realise that captaincy was endowed for life or until retirement from full national duties ?

The same bunch of fucks who argued that their vulgar one dimensional girlfriends come along for the trip to whatever finals

The same fucks who most likely advised their weak and greedy Swedish manager what would be best for the team & who should be included in their squads - for fucks sake, Your manager even consulted brain dead Beckham before matches!

IM sorry, but they dont care, are too well fed and rich and pumped full of the imbecilic shit that the redtops churn our about them - they fuckin believe this tiresome jingoistic shit and think that the Johnny foreigners will treat them with the respect they deserve.

Where next ? YOu need to fail to qualify for a tournamant or two to dump the dumb egotistical wasters and get a bit of hunger back in the team. For fucks sake, every time I seem to pick up a paper on the eve of a game, I seem to be bombarded By Philip Neville lecturing everyone in that Droning North Western voice of his - these people shouldnt be given any chance to air their limited thoughts and boost their own ego. Its appalling shite.


You could have Peter fuckin Sutcliffe manageing the team and they should play well - they are not children, they should be able to organise & motivate themselves on the pitch withour needing a manager having to do it for them

You have been treating them as adults for too long.I know thats sounds terriblem, but they need to realise once agian gthat is is a privilige to be selected for your country ( and Im not getting all nationaliostic here ) - its not a fuckin right.

Anyway, Im Scots, so why should I care