Discussion in 'football' started by Lord Camomile, Oct 8, 2016.
Pointless qualifying if you do feck all once you get there!
When you say "knockout football", you are only including knockout stages, but group stages are also part of knockout football. It really needs the full context including those knockout stages.
1968: only 4 sides qualified for Euro 68 and England were one of them, but lost their semi-final match.
1970: England beat Romania and Czechoslovakia in the group stage before losing to West Germany in the quarter-final
1972, 74, 76, 78: failed to qualify for any of these tournaments
1980: England one of only 8 sides to actually qualify. They actually beat Spain but drew with the finalists Belgium and lost to Italy.
1982: Beat France, Czechoslovakia and Kuwait, but drew with West Germany and Spain.
1984: failed to qualify
1986: Beat Poland as well as Paraguay, but lost a hell of a match against Argentina in the quarter final.
1988: Nightmare loss of 3 out of 3!
1990: Also beat Egypt in the group stage. Lost to eventual winners West Germany.
1992: Eugh (although the Swedish side England lost to would go on to be semi-finalists in the 1994 world cup)
1994: didn't qualify
1996: Beat Scotland and Holland in the group stages
1998: Beat Tunisia and Columbia in the group stages
2000: Beat Germany in the group stage
2002: Also beat Argentina in the group stage.
2004: Beat Switzerland and Croatia in the group stage
2006: Also Beat Paraguay and Trinidad & Tobago in the group stage
2008: didn't qualify
2012: Beat Sweden and Ukraine in the group stages
2014: Also terrible!
2016: Beat Wales in the group stages
So in total, that's 7 tournaments not qualified for (including back when tournaments were much smaller in size). Of the 19 tournaments qualified for, they have won 21 group games as well as 6 full knockout games. That's not such a bad record -- per tournament qualified for, about 1 win per group stage and progressing beyond the first knockout stage every three tournaments. Also, the Euros were only 4 teams before 1980 and only 8 teams before 1996, so it was really hard to win any games -- let along knockout ones -- back then.
Don't knock it 'till you've tried it.
We did and we did quite well.
So for England that’s an average of 21/19 group matches win @ 1.1, and 6/19 @ 0.3.
Wales 2/1 @ 2 and 2/1 @2
Not bad at all.
I've just realised you're comparing our WC record to your single Euros qualification, a tournament in which we beat you.
Yep, Wales did very nicely in 2016. It was lovely to see. Well done to all concerned.
Don’t worry. I realise that as you qualifies undefeated you are far and away the overwhelming favourites for the World Cup next year.
Wait, hang on, what the fuck are you referring to?!
In your single European Championships you won four games, not two, and at your single World Cup appearance in '58 (trading on past glories ) you won one match, which again isn't two
It’s a marathon not a sprint!
Arguably more favourite than a team who has yet to qualify.
Tournaments since 1966, comparing like with like.
Oh right, sorry, I forgot you were taking the somewhat convoluted "only games in knockout stages" approach.
If you want to do it on stats, it's also worth throwing in there England's 73% qualification rate versus Wales' 4% qualification rate.
Alternatively, you could say that England's win rate in tournament finals is 1.04 (i.e. 27/26) whereas Wales's win rate is .15 (i.e. 4/26).
I wouldn't waste your time we did all this a year ago when I said England are the best team in Britain. Naturally I did win that argument though
So the impeccable Welsh record in knockout football at major tournaments since 1966 will remain untarnished then.
Silver linings etc.
Infinite win ratio.
Spain in 1996 was a draw, technically, though England progressed.
1927 s gone a bit quiet
Wales players celebrate wildly as England crash out of Euro 2016
he who laughs last laughs longest.
That's not the last laugh though is it?
(Come on Aus btw)
Aye. I'd like Wales to have qualified and they were fantastic in 2016 - a proper team, better than the sum of their parts and all that. But still...
No it's not the last laugh. I'll laugh at them again no doubt.
It's like watching your little brother nail his first bmx jump over a bin, but then smash his face into the handlebars and ride into a hedge.
You sympathise, but only after you've finished pissing yourself
Textbook Tim Cahill.
That was his millionth headed goal. That free kick at the end though...
Presumably everyone here is aware of David Squires, and knows where the Guardian can be found online. This week, England and Bladerunner.
I had the pleasure of watching Tim score some wonderful headed goals for Millwall. He had some leap on him.
I expect he's looking forward to whatever south american team of midgets they get in the next qualifier.
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