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England WC 2018 qualifiers

Discussion in 'football' started by Lord Camomile, Oct 8, 2016.

  1. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    Pointless qualifying if you do feck all once you get there!
     
  2. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    When you say "knockout football", you are only including knockout stages, but group stages are also part of knockout football. It really needs the full context including those knockout stages.

    1968: only 4 sides qualified for Euro 68 and England were one of them, but lost their semi-final match.
    1970: England beat Romania and Czechoslovakia in the group stage before losing to West Germany in the quarter-final
    1972, 74, 76, 78: failed to qualify for any of these tournaments
    1980: England one of only 8 sides to actually qualify. They actually beat Spain but drew with the finalists Belgium and lost to Italy.
    1982: Beat France, Czechoslovakia and Kuwait, but drew with West Germany and Spain.
    1984: failed to qualify
    1986: Beat Poland as well as Paraguay, but lost a hell of a match against Argentina in the quarter final.
    1988: Nightmare loss of 3 out of 3!
    1990: Also beat Egypt in the group stage. Lost to eventual winners West Germany.
    1992: Eugh (although the Swedish side England lost to would go on to be semi-finalists in the 1994 world cup)
    1994: didn't qualify
    1996: Beat Scotland and Holland in the group stages
    1998: Beat Tunisia and Columbia in the group stages
    2000: Beat Germany in the group stage
    2002: Also beat Argentina in the group stage.
    2004: Beat Switzerland and Croatia in the group stage
    2006: Also Beat Paraguay and Trinidad & Tobago in the group stage
    2008: didn't qualify
    2010: Terrible!
    2012: Beat Sweden and Ukraine in the group stages
    2014: Also terrible!
    2016: Beat Wales in the group stages

    So in total, that's 7 tournaments not qualified for (including back when tournaments were much smaller in size). Of the 19 tournaments qualified for, they have won 21 group games as well as 6 full knockout games. That's not such a bad record -- per tournament qualified for, about 1 win per group stage and progressing beyond the first knockout stage every three tournaments. Also, the Euros were only 4 teams before 1980 and only 8 teams before 1996, so it was really hard to win any games -- let along knockout ones -- back then.
     
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  3. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Don't knock it 'till you've tried it.
     
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  4. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    We did and we did quite well.
     
  5. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    So for England that’s an average of 21/19 group matches win @ 1.1, and 6/19 @ 0.3.

    Wales 2/1 @ 2 and 2/1 @2

    Not bad at all.
     
  6. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    I've just realised you're comparing our WC record to your single Euros qualification, a tournament in which we beat you.

    *polite applause*
     
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  7. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    Yep, Wales did very nicely in 2016. It was lovely to see. Well done to all concerned.
     
  8. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    Don’t worry. I realise that as you qualifies undefeated you are far and away the overwhelming favourites for the World Cup next year.
     
  9. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

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  10. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    It’s a marathon not a sprint!
     
  11. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Arguably more favourite than a team who has yet to qualify.
     
  12. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

  13. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Oh right, sorry, I forgot you were taking the somewhat convoluted "only games in knockout stages" approach.
     
  14. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    If you want to do it on stats, it's also worth throwing in there England's 73% qualification rate versus Wales' 4% qualification rate.

    Alternatively, you could say that England's win rate in tournament finals is 1.04 (i.e. 27/26) whereas Wales's win rate is .15 (i.e. 4/26).
     
  15. binka

    binka !!!!!!!!!

    I wouldn't waste your time we did all this a year ago when I said England are the best team in Britain. Naturally I did win that argument though :thumbs:
     
  16. pocketscience

    pocketscience Well-Known Member

    So the impeccable Welsh record in knockout football at major tournaments since 1966 will remain untarnished then.
    Silver linings etc.
     
  17. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    Infinite win ratio.
     
  18. S☼I

    S☼I unhailed warden of a fled campestral

    Spain in 1996 was a draw, technically, though England progressed.
     
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  19. Maggot

    Maggot .

    1927 s gone a bit quiet :D
     
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  20. Ponyutd

    Ponyutd Greebo likes this....r.i.p.

  21. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    That's not the last laugh though is it?

    (Come on Aus btw)
     
  22. Wilf

    Wilf Tots els coperos són bastards

  23. Ponyutd

    Ponyutd Greebo likes this....r.i.p.

    No it's not the last laugh. I'll laugh at them again no doubt.
     
  24. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop......Hammertime

    It's like watching your little brother nail his first bmx jump over a bin, but then smash his face into the handlebars and ride into a hedge.

    You sympathise, but only after you've finished pissing yourself :D
     
  25. sealion

    sealion If you can't dance just nod your head

  26. copliker

    copliker ...

    Textbook Tim Cahill.
     
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  27. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    That was his millionth headed goal. That free kick at the end though...
     
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  28. Silas Loom

    Silas Loom Mum's primitive, acidic pear crumble (7,7)

    Presumably everyone here is aware of David Squires, and knows where the Guardian can be found online. This week, England and Bladerunner.
     
  29. sealion

    sealion If you can't dance just nod your head

    I had the pleasure of watching Tim score some wonderful headed goals for Millwall. He had some leap on him.
     
  30. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    I expect he's looking forward to whatever south american team of midgets they get in the next qualifier.
     

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