England vs. Pakistan Fourth test
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marksims68
Have guitar will travel
Nemo said:
I dont have Sky TV but for what I have heard the umpires have proved the ball had been tampered with, it is possible in the run up to put a groove into the ball with the left hand making it possible to move more on the ground.
I hope it is proven they havent cheated for the good of cricket but if they have, then they should be punished.
I have had a few beers btw, I am sorry for upsetting anyone.
Mark.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
What a farce, though I agree with Dickie Bird (when interviewed on BBC) that the umpires have to be 100% positive that they have been deliberately doing this - and with TV coverage being what it is, it should be available.
If not, Hair and Doctrove should be put under the microscope themselves, in fact their refusal to come out after the situation was apparently resolved should guarantee that anyway.
If not, Hair and Doctrove should be put under the microscope themselves, in fact their refusal to come out after the situation was apparently resolved should guarantee that anyway.
bi0boy
Power User
We can't have people staying in the pavillion becuase they don't agree with the umpires. Similarly we can't have people coming out on to the field if they disagree with the umpires decsion that the match has been forfeited.
IMO do whatever the umpires say during the match, and talk about it afterwards.
IMO do whatever the umpires say during the match, and talk about it afterwards.
According to Cricinfo, Mike Soper, Vice Chair of ECB says that the test will probably be called off (although that still leaves a rather knotty problem as to whether it's an England win or a draw). Although apparently, the ICC office is closed tomorrow due to a holiday in Dubai.
Sky Sports News "understands" the Test's been called off. Shame, I had tickets for tomorrow
Edit: it's on Cricinfo now
http://www.cricinfo.com/
Edit: it's on Cricinfo now
http://www.cricinfo.com/
Cricinfo said:
What a farce! IMO Inzaman should have led the Pakistanis from the field immediately after the ball was changed and you had the farcical situation of asking Pietersen which ball he wanted to play with if they were innocent of ball tampering,
It's strange with all the cameras at Test Grounds that despite the Sky Sports production team scouring all the footage from all their cameras that no evidence has been found, but it doesn't prove that it hasn't taken place either.
Either way the game of cricket and the people who shelled out for tickets for today have been shat upon (I assume myself and the others who have tickets for Monday will automatically get refunds as would have been the case if a result had been reached), either by Hair falsely accusing the Pakistanis of cheating, or by the Pakistanis tampering with the ball then kicking up a fuss when caught.
It's a real shame as the series had been conducted in a really good spirit on and off the pitch, despite what's previously happened against Pakistan and the current political situation.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
presenters on Sky said they had looked through loads of footage and found no proof of anyone tampering with the ball. They have about 26 camera's in the ground.
Make of that what you will........
Make of that what you will........
Barking_Mad said:
Yes, BM. I made that point some hours ago.
Well.. must admit that's the first time I can remember being gripped to the radio commentary while no play was going on 
I think Mark Butcher had it right - the Pakistanis may well have a right to be aggrieved over the tampering allegations but that doesn't mean they can choose whether to come out to play or not, and certainly they had carried on playing immediately after it happened.
Could you imagine a football team refusing to come out for the second half?
Oh dear!
I think Mark Butcher had it right - the Pakistanis may well have a right to be aggrieved over the tampering allegations but that doesn't mean they can choose whether to come out to play or not, and certainly they had carried on playing immediately after it happened.
Could you imagine a football team refusing to come out for the second half?
Oh dear!
exactly
and why do many many people suspect the pakistanis of cheating? because they've done it year after year after year. So, Inzamam was so aggrieved at being accused? Did he feel the same horror 6 months ago that he couldn't bear to take the field?
what goes around come around.
and why do many many people suspect the pakistanis of cheating? because they've done it year after year after year. So, Inzamam was so aggrieved at being accused? Did he feel the same horror 6 months ago that he couldn't bear to take the field?
what goes around come around.
BBC have just announced that the match has been awarded to England.
It was on the Beeb and Cricinfo too. Presumably people who have got tickets will get refunds.mhwfc said:Sky Sports News are now reporting that the ECB have issued a statement saying the match is over and England have won. Not that there's anything on the Surrey CCC website which Monday ticket holders have been advised to check
david dissadent
New Member
Match awarded to England.
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
I feel incredibly cheated by today. A day of no play because of rain I could take, but the pettiness that has led to this decision is just taking the piss.
Forty plus quid for a ticket? They can piss off next year. I never thought that professional cricket would take the same route as football, taking the punters for granted.
A bit more HERE.
Forty plus quid for a ticket? They can piss off next year. I never thought that professional cricket would take the same route as football, taking the punters for granted.
A bit more HERE.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Jonathan Agnew makes some very sensible points:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/5269492.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/5269492.stm
Agree with agricola that Aggers is spot on with his comments, nevertheless a very sad day for cricket
Poor lack of spirit of the game from Pakistan, acting like sulky teenagers
Poor law that needs immediate review
Poor handling of the situation on the day by the Oval with no communication to the crowd
Generally poor.
Poor lack of spirit of the game from Pakistan, acting like sulky teenagers
Poor law that needs immediate review
Poor handling of the situation on the day by the Oval with no communication to the crowd
Generally poor.
