England v Portugal
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the guardian is reporting that scolari wants portuguese FA to appeal the deco ban
much hope there, do you reckon? i didn't think FIFA even had an appeal system set up.
much hope there, do you reckon? i didn't think FIFA even had an appeal system set up.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
Magneze said:
Whats wrong with 4-5-1 . Can no-one see the problem was Gerrard and Lampard not pushing forward enough into a 4-3-3 to support Rooney , get them training for a week making sure they do this and I reckon the 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation will work fine !
tommers
Currently in investor / advisor mode.
Idaho said:
this is the same sol who left at half time vs west ham and then suffered some sort of breakdown? the one who has played about five games in the second half of the season?
I was shocked he was even on the plane. another one of the half fit gang that sven seemed intent on picking.
what's wrong with terry?
and walcott? hmm... bit of a gamble. could be something different but would rather he had been played at some point in the group games (or indeed at any point except for southampton), rather than coming straight into a world cup 1/4 final.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
Magneze said:
Actually 4-5-1 does work well for attack , just look at how chelsea change formation when they have/don't have the ball between 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 . It's a much more fluid formation and something most of the England Midfield should cope with !
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Idaho said:
yea but he's fackin geeza int he?
Saturdays quarter-final represents a chance at redemption for England ...for me at least.
It was that quarter final against them ar Euro 2004 when I finally lost my patience with Englands cluelessness in dealing with the demands of international pressure football.
They sat on a 1-0 lead and constantly gave away possession until Portugal finally equalised 10 minutes before the end. They were utter shite and totally naive. It was a game they should have won, they had the players but not the tactics. It was particularly galling so soon after doing much the same thing against France.
This is a chance for them to put that travesty of a performance to rest.
If they win this with a decent perforamce and go down fighting against Brazil, I will consider this to have been a successful world cup.
It was that quarter final against them ar Euro 2004 when I finally lost my patience with Englands cluelessness in dealing with the demands of international pressure football.
They sat on a 1-0 lead and constantly gave away possession until Portugal finally equalised 10 minutes before the end. They were utter shite and totally naive. It was a game they should have won, they had the players but not the tactics. It was particularly galling so soon after doing much the same thing against France.
This is a chance for them to put that travesty of a performance to rest.
If they win this with a decent perforamce and go down fighting against Brazil, I will consider this to have been a successful world cup.
david dissadent
New Member
I really think that after the Holland game the portugese are going to be very motivated and in a seige mentality. Its the kind of thing that brings squads together. The serendipidy of Figo getting away with a head but makes me feel he will have the game of his life and score the winner.
England need a rocket up there arse and to realise that they have had a an absolute cake walk so far. The tournament is about to start for them.
England need a rocket up there arse and to realise that they have had a an absolute cake walk so far. The tournament is about to start for them.
Interesting opposing viewpoints on Saturday's game, in today's World Cup supplement (plus the odd other mention of other sport! 
) in the Guardian :
GRRRR!!!!
Pages relating to Portugal v England not currently accessible, maybe volume of traffic??
Anyway, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk a bit later, and look for the Sport bit, and 'Can England pull it off' will be the relevant link I think.
Kevin McCarra : Yes, England have a very good chance of beating Portugal
Richard Williams : No, England are pretty unlikely to beat Portugal.
Both offer some good arguments, but will need to read them again whan I can ...
) in the Guardian :GRRRR!!!!
Pages relating to Portugal v England not currently accessible, maybe volume of traffic??
Anyway, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk a bit later, and look for the Sport bit, and 'Can England pull it off' will be the relevant link I think.
Kevin McCarra : Yes, England have a very good chance of beating Portugal
Richard Williams : No, England are pretty unlikely to beat Portugal.
Both offer some good arguments, but will need to read them again whan I can ...
I can't see anything other than an England victory, and that takes nothing away from an excellent Portugal side that are up there with the best teams.
Portugal have key players missing, Scolari is streets ahead of Sven in tactics and knowhow, in fact as has been mentioned, if England win the world cup it's despite Eriksson rather than because of him.
I mean against Ecuador and he was about to bring on Wayne Bridge and Crouch.
I know Crouch causes problems to the opposition but it is embarrassing that this is England's best, fit centre forward.
Why bring Walcott and not play him at a world cup where pace seems at a premium.
Contrary to some views Rooney can play up front as target man. His strength means he can easily hold the ball up. Then he MUST have the midfield immediately supporting him, which Lamps and Gerrard did to some extent though Lampard is starting to show why so many dismiss him as overrated, though he still can pop up with a late strike when needed.
And Aaron Lennon has slotted into the team like a veteran.
I doubt Eriksson has the nous to do this but I would start with
-------------------------Robinson
Carragher-------Ferdinand-----Terry-------A.Cole
--------------------------Carrick
Lennon-------Beckham-----Gerrard---------J.Cole
--------------------------Rooney
...with Lampard and Walcott to come on as late subs
In any case, England will raise their game, get revenge, then it's Brazil in the semis (Ghana may disagree today)
Portugal have key players missing, Scolari is streets ahead of Sven in tactics and knowhow, in fact as has been mentioned, if England win the world cup it's despite Eriksson rather than because of him.
I mean against Ecuador and he was about to bring on Wayne Bridge and Crouch.
I know Crouch causes problems to the opposition but it is embarrassing that this is England's best, fit centre forward.
Why bring Walcott and not play him at a world cup where pace seems at a premium.
Contrary to some views Rooney can play up front as target man. His strength means he can easily hold the ball up. Then he MUST have the midfield immediately supporting him, which Lamps and Gerrard did to some extent though Lampard is starting to show why so many dismiss him as overrated, though he still can pop up with a late strike when needed.
And Aaron Lennon has slotted into the team like a veteran.
I doubt Eriksson has the nous to do this but I would start with
-------------------------Robinson
Carragher-------Ferdinand-----Terry-------A.Cole
--------------------------Carrick
Lennon-------Beckham-----Gerrard---------J.Cole
--------------------------Rooney
...with Lampard and Walcott to come on as late subs
In any case, England will raise their game, get revenge, then it's Brazil in the semis (Ghana may disagree today)
This game is the first one that has given me real butterflies. I would not bet either way on an outcome but I can't see a big score. I hope that Portugal do not get an early goal as I can see England dropping their heads again.
For my money England have not looked 'bad' yet but have lacked passion. I am not sure that this is really true of Portugal.
For my money England have not looked 'bad' yet but have lacked passion. I am not sure that this is really true of Portugal.
Robinson
G Neville (if fit, Carragher if not) - Ferdinand - Terry - A Cole
Carrick
Beckham - Lampard - Gerrard - J Cole
Rooney
This CAN work if only Lampard and Gerrard get forward and give Rooney support when we've got the ball. The trouble was on Saturday that the heat was sapping their energy.
If behind or level, substitute Lennon and Walcott for any of the midfielders and just run at the fuckers. In extremis, pull Carrick off and send Crouch on.
Sven is just too cautious sometimes.
G Neville (if fit, Carragher if not) - Ferdinand - Terry - A Cole
Carrick
Beckham - Lampard - Gerrard - J Cole
Rooney
This CAN work if only Lampard and Gerrard get forward and give Rooney support when we've got the ball. The trouble was on Saturday that the heat was sapping their energy.
If behind or level, substitute Lennon and Walcott for any of the midfielders and just run at the fuckers. In extremis, pull Carrick off and send Crouch on.
Sven is just too cautious sometimes.
squeegee said:
I can, just because of the pure psychological edge Portugal have of knowing that they have beaten us twice in two recent tournaments, even if the first (Euro 2000) was more of an abject humiliation than the second at Euro 2004, which was more a case of typical loss of bottle.
And Spain may disagree with the suggestion that BRazil are certs to beat them.
i was more worried against ecuador. i reckon we can win this. play against a side that actually believes it can beat us and will try to score leaving space at the back for rooney, gerard, cole and lennon to get into.Badgers said:
i reckon we'd do well to concede at some point preferably to bring it level again as it will mean that we know we need to score again, put a bit more pressure on.
SGE is useless and we have known that for YEARS, but he's what we have so someone needs to ring him and tell him to drop 21 shots lampard play hargreaves, carrick and gerard in centre mid, beckham wide right ready to mov infield when we need lennon to come on and spice things up.
leave rooney alone up front though, the portugal defenders will eat crouch for tea.
is it on bbc or itv?
Thats amazing value and crying out to be backed.
Obnoxiousness
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I was really worried about Ecuador...... and we beat them.
This is not a full strength Portugal team, the only advantage they have are their management.
This is not a full strength Portugal team, the only advantage they have are their management.
How the hell are England favourites with the bookies for this match? When you consider we have only ever reached one semi final outside of England, the odds for Portugal are amazingly tempting.
RenegadeDog said:
Because they're English bookies. You'd get diiferent odds from a bookmaker in any other European country. Also, the bookies here know that there are millions of unquestioning supporters who will back England irrespective.
The best way to make money off the bookies is historically, to back against England ....because those are where the best odds are.
